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In Praise of FR's freedom - from a progressive
by ClassConscious aka SoLongCrooks ^

Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious

Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:

Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!

Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks

Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.

I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.

Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.

*******Beginning of new thread by the same Troll**************

The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.

If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.

I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.

While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.

This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.

I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.


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To: nopardons; Darksheare; Lady Jag
Well, I've got to admit I haven't had this much fun since I coached a Tee Ball team. I have the utmost respect for Jim Robinson. He is a pioneer and will/should have his place in history. But I somehow don't put a lot of faith in your using his post as a jumping off point. I'd much rather believe he would prefer you think for yourselves.

But you seem to be some sort of tag team. Can any of you function on your own or is it shoulders you need?

641 posted on 02/07/2006 8:20:50 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: Darksheare
You WILL be missed, but go to sleep!

Good night and pleasant dreams...I hope that tomorrow you'll be pain and aura free and feeling fine.

642 posted on 02/07/2006 8:21:39 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Darksheare
Yes, much like a talking fish on a plaque.


643 posted on 02/07/2006 8:21:45 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: Darksheare

That's why you should wear your helmet and not look straight ahead during the zots.


644 posted on 02/07/2006 8:22:16 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: groanup; Jim Robinson

Would you be so quick to defend ClassConscious to the boss face?
You said using the word Commie was 'juvenile'.
Funny, teh boss said it at post 463.

"Once a commie troll, always a commie troll."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573256/posts?page=463#463


645 posted on 02/07/2006 8:22:22 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Darksheare

Sounds like you need a good night's sleep. Eat big and sleep when you're ready. Earplugs can be helpful.


646 posted on 02/07/2006 8:23:01 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: Lady Jag
Why should I care if you're the only one who doesn't understand me? What am I losing out on?

LOL!!! Nothing. I'll make you a deal. You ignore me and I won't ignore you. Nothing personal, I just get a kick out of you.

647 posted on 02/07/2006 8:23:09 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: darkangel82

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending upon your point of view, the troll has not expired yet.

Not until his bones are bleached and picked clean.


648 posted on 02/07/2006 8:23:22 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: nopardons

I'm always curious about what makes people tick, especially what makes them break.


649 posted on 02/07/2006 8:24:13 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: Lady Jag

Earplugs don't help me much.

But Fort Drum sand might, strangely.
Best sleep I ever had was at one of the sand pits there.


650 posted on 02/07/2006 8:24:39 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: groanup

I get a kick out of troll defenders.


651 posted on 02/07/2006 8:25:16 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: nopardons

Yes, yes, all of the above. I crave attention. Sip, sip. No, tell me NP, how many times have you looked at my home page? The way you do it is you click on my screen name..., with your mouse.


652 posted on 02/07/2006 8:25:58 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: groanup

No, go back to telling us how we're all neanderthals for zot threads.


653 posted on 02/07/2006 8:27:29 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: groanup
We are NO sort of tag team at all.

You've posted to each of us, all on your own and then expect none of us to reply to you? How quaint!

But please DO tell Jim that you find his posts "juvenile"; that'll show him the "respect" you have for him. Please tell the n00b that he's "juvenile" as well. After all, he called himself a COMMIE, right from the start.

Unlike you, I am able to think. I do so all on my own. Bless me, but apparently you are incapable of that function.

BTW...go find and pay for a dominatrix. Your self pleasuring, via pain, is your problem and I refuse to give you any more service for free.

654 posted on 02/07/2006 8:27:51 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Darksheare

Nothing beats a waterbed.


655 posted on 02/07/2006 8:28:14 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: Darksheare; Admin Moderator
I get a kick out of troll defenders.

And commies!!. I bet you also get a kick out of wrenched backs and hangnails.

Don't worry AM. Signing off.

656 posted on 02/07/2006 8:28:35 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: Lady Jag

Hated those actually.
Actually had a sensation of vertigo on one.

But not on aircraft or boats.
(?? I don't get that either.)


657 posted on 02/07/2006 8:29:05 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: groanup

Awww, you called the AM to the thread.
How quaint.
Especially after defending the troll.


658 posted on 02/07/2006 8:29:51 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Lady Jag
We could REALLY break him, but that would be a rather silly waste of out time. I'd much rather engage you in more meaningful discussions. So, I'm off to answer mail.
659 posted on 02/07/2006 8:30:50 PM PST by nopardons
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To: groanup; Jim Robinson

"You come charging in here accusing everyone of being a "commie" (which went out in 1989) and have nothing really positive to add. Shut up."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573256/posts?page=585#585

Funny how you didn't say that to the boss.

"Once a commie troll, always a commie troll."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573256/posts?page=463#463


660 posted on 02/07/2006 8:31:38 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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