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In Praise of FR's freedom - from a progressive
by ClassConscious aka SoLongCrooks ^

Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious

Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:

Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!

Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks

Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.

I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.

Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.

*******Beginning of new thread by the same Troll**************

The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.

If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.

I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.

While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.

This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.

I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.


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To: groanup

Would you find teh posts by the Boss in this thread 'juvenile'?
And would you dare tell him so if you did?


His words were "When his bones are picked clean and sun bleached." in response to the question of when ClassConscious gets the zot.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1573256/posts?page=561#561


621 posted on 02/07/2006 8:04:02 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Darksheare

I was out tonight, need to eat


622 posted on 02/07/2006 8:07:13 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: groanup
Oh goody, shall we play I know that you know that I know that you know that nobody cares, not a whit, what you "think" about anyone or anything? LOL

Hmmmmmmmmmm...the poster, himself, called himself a Communist. Jim Robinson called the n00b a Commie; yet, it is the fact that I called a self avowed Commie and Commie, which you claim makes FR look juvenile?

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha

623 posted on 02/07/2006 8:07:29 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Lady Jag

Troll, slimy yet satisfying.


624 posted on 02/07/2006 8:07:44 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: nopardons

I need to read the thread. I forget what he attack me for; it was last night, I think. He's nuts and I'd be curious how he got that way.


625 posted on 02/07/2006 8:09:19 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: Darksheare
Oh dear...you still have the aura? That's the worst of it! Had one myself, earlier today.

Get off the computer, lie down in a dark, quiet room, and put a cool compress on your forehead for a while.

Too little sleep and/or too much sugar on an empty stomach?

626 posted on 02/07/2006 8:09:36 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Lady Jag
Yes, he's had "conversations" with me. He attacks viciously and without provocation.

Well that's not true and you know it. But I'm sure your little buddies will agree. I have found it best to ignore you because you haven't once responded to my posts to you with a grain of sense. In fact, I have often thought you were posting to another freeper because your answers were so off the subject.

Anyway, here's the basic argument of this thread. The poster admits he is biased against everything FR stands for yet he admits that DU is even worse as a biased forum. The last I looked (and it's been a while) Jim had not banned the guy. I don't really see anything wrong with letting a reasonable lefty in here as long as he's willing to debate and doesn't just want to post propoganda. That's what we're all about here aren't we?

I'm willing to debate him. I have faith in my beliefs. Do you?

627 posted on 02/07/2006 8:10:29 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: nopardons

Had to eat, headache dropped down a bit after I ate.
But that funky prism effect is still there.
*Hmm*


628 posted on 02/07/2006 8:10:57 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Darksheare
Crush and pave, crush and pave.



629 posted on 02/07/2006 8:11:20 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: Lady Jag
To Bedlam with him! :-)

Well, I really don't care what made him this way. But perhaps you can get it out of him...since you want to know.

630 posted on 02/07/2006 8:11:53 PM PST by nopardons
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To: groanup

"I'm willing to debate him."

"Despite the wailing of the liberal trolls and other doom & gloom naysayers, we feel no compelling need to allow them a platform to promote their repugnant and obnoxious propaganda from our forum. Free Republic is not a liberal debating society. We are conservative activists dedicated to defending our rights, defending our constitution, defending our republic and defending our traditional American way of life. " -Jim Robinson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts

Debate unecessary, as per the words of the Boss himself.


631 posted on 02/07/2006 8:12:25 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: nopardons
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You left out at least 200 aaaaaahhhhhs. Can't you be a little more creative?

632 posted on 02/07/2006 8:13:35 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: groanup

"Despite the wailing of the liberal trolls and other doom & gloom naysayers, we feel no compelling need to allow them a platform to promote their repugnant and obnoxious propaganda from our forum. Free Republic is not a liberal debating society. We are conservative activists dedicated to defending our rights, defending our constitution, defending our republic and defending our traditional American way of life. " -Jim Robinson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts


633 posted on 02/07/2006 8:13:57 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Darksheare
Yep, food sometimes help...just NOT with the aura.

Do you get the sparkly dots, the blanked out places, both, something else?

634 posted on 02/07/2006 8:14:18 PM PST by nopardons
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To: groanup

Why should I care if you're the only one who doesn't understand me? What am I losing out on?


635 posted on 02/07/2006 8:14:56 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: TaxRelief
Good points all.

John Hinderaker (powerlineblog.com) offers similar sentiments. . .. . .our email inbox confirms what we see when we read the newspapers: liberalism is the philosophy of the ill-informed; the intemperate; the marginal. Truth in a nutshell. . .so to speak!

No question, most are beyond reason - Alan Colmes is a good reminder how Libs can hear the truth. . .night after night. . .after night. And still never 'get it'.

That said. . .there are those Libs however; who sustain a conscience. . .reasoned capacities; and who find themselves drawn to the truth of the matter. Not many,of course. . .but should one be out there in our midst. . .think it worth giving that person at least, a 'shot of truth'; before we move on.

636 posted on 02/07/2006 8:15:13 PM PST by cricket ( a)
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To: groanup
Are you lonesome? No wife? No kids? No life?

Bored? Read a book!

Bored AND lonesome?

A masochist, perhaps?

Eager to get suspended or banned, because you are unable, all alone, to curb your addiction to FR?

637 posted on 02/07/2006 8:16:36 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

It looks like a crinkly sheet of cellophane before my eyes.
That's the best I can describe it as.
It will either become a blinding pain tomorrow morning.
Or it will go away while I sleep.

But for now I can live with it since I took pain stuff and ate.


638 posted on 02/07/2006 8:17:12 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Darksheare
Ahhhhhhhh, what I call the lightning bolt affect.

Go to bed early; that'll help.

639 posted on 02/07/2006 8:18:51 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Willdo.
See you tomorrow.


640 posted on 02/07/2006 8:19:27 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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