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In Praise of FR's freedom - from a progressive
by ClassConscious aka SoLongCrooks ^

Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious

Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:

Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!

Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks

Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.

I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.

Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.

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The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.

If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.

I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.

While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.

This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.

I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.


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To: nopardons

I stand by what I posted and I pity what you posted.


601 posted on 02/07/2006 7:42:31 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: rollo tomasi

Have you read post 463 from Jim yet? CC is a returning troll with a new line of Barbara Streisand.


602 posted on 02/07/2006 7:45:12 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan now in SW Ok.)
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To: Lady Jag

Lemmings!
They're what's for dinner!


603 posted on 02/07/2006 7:45:31 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: nopardons; Lady Jag

Oh, I get it. Another late night tipper is with you. I have had conversations with Lady Jag of late and found them non-sensical. It all ads up. I don't think you really need to cite JR's posts to defend yourself. You should be able to do that on your own. I'm sure Jim has his own opinion of you as do I. Those opinions may very well differ.


604 posted on 02/07/2006 7:46:05 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: groanup
GOODY...stand on it all you care too. Nobody agrees with you and especially NOT Jim Robinson.

You can't "pity" a post. Incorrect use of the word. But do pity yourself; heck, throw yourself one gigantic pity party, for all that.

Are you bored, lonely, or both, that you so need to try to start a flame war?

605 posted on 02/07/2006 7:46:57 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Yes, he's had "conversations" with me. He attacks viciously and without provocation.


606 posted on 02/07/2006 7:47:57 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: Lady Jag

Yep...at least the second one.


607 posted on 02/07/2006 7:48:15 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Darksheare

But you're always so adorable...no matter what you do! And you know, all of RBKA love you.


608 posted on 02/07/2006 7:49:20 PM PST by nopardons
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To: rollo tomasi
WRONG !
609 posted on 02/07/2006 7:50:30 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Darksheare
Lemmings! They're what's for dinner!

Perfect word for it. They keep coming at us unarmed! They're a lot like Muslim protesters, no brains, just anger and hatred. Fun to kill and eat.

610 posted on 02/07/2006 7:51:52 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: nopardons
He's a damned RETREAD TROLL and there is less than NO "hope" for him. He needs to be zotted and blasted from the face of FR forever; in every incarnation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He may be. . .but as long as he remains reasonable - or 'becomes reasonable' - per his zotted incarnations; whatever the case may be - and that should be key here; then what is the real problem?

Do not want to emulate the supressive/repressive MO of DU, in any event or by any means.

611 posted on 02/07/2006 7:54:22 PM PST by cricket ( a)
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To: groanup
Jim made it quite clear that the retread is a COMMIE.

Your opprobrium, with my post, was over the word COMMIE.

Ergo, I didn't "use" Jim's posts in "defense" of myself and my statements, but rather as corroborative materials.

Nobody cares what YOU may think of them, pet. LOL

612 posted on 02/07/2006 7:54:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: groanup

G, The guy is a communist.
The boss confirmed that ClassConscious is SoLongCrooks, a zotted troll and avowed communist.
The info is even stuck up at the top of the thread.
To continue to defend the poster even aftter it is confirmed is inexcusable.

"Despite the wailing of the liberal trolls and other doom & gloom naysayers, we feel no compelling need to allow them a platform to promote their repugnant and obnoxious propaganda from our forum. Free Republic is not a liberal debating society. We are conservative activists dedicated to defending our rights, defending our constitution, defending our republic and defending our traditional American way of life. " -Jim Robinson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts


613 posted on 02/07/2006 7:55:01 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: nopardons

Not always adorable.
Currently posting with a nasty migraine.


614 posted on 02/07/2006 7:55:39 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Lady Jag

He's a semi-functing illiterate; uncalled for, out of the blue personal attacks and insults his his usual MO.


615 posted on 02/07/2006 7:56:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Lady Jag

Crush and pave, crush and pave.
Till it's all over except the crying.


616 posted on 02/07/2006 7:56:18 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: cricket
Then find another site to post on. Jim owns and runs this one and he doesn't want new nor retreaded trolls nor COMMIES on FR.

Jim has left this thread up, so that we could eviscerate the n00b, to our hearts' content. :-)

617 posted on 02/07/2006 7:59:05 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Darksheare

Sorry to hear about the migraine! Have you tried Excedrin for Migraines? I find that that works for me.


618 posted on 02/07/2006 8:00:26 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I'm well aware that no one cares what I think. About that, I don't care. LOL. But you obviously care because you so vigorously defend your posts which I find juvenile. Again, I don't expect you to care, maybe not even understand. I just think it makes us all look very stupid when we toss the word "commie" out as if we're so limited in our criticisms. It's like Moe calling Curly a dope.


619 posted on 02/07/2006 8:02:08 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: nopardons

I've hit it with pain med already.
Took the edge off but not the nice prismatic shiny thingy.
I'll be okay.

Wish I could transfer the skull pain to the troll though.


620 posted on 02/07/2006 8:02:57 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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