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In Praise of FR's freedom - from a progressive
by ClassConscious aka SoLongCrooks ^

Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious

Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:

Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!

Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks

Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.

I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.

Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.

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The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.

If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.

I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.

While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.

This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.

I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.


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To: Darksheare

LOL! I vant to suck your income bla bla bla!


581 posted on 02/07/2006 7:14:42 PM PST by ovrtaxt (I have a crush on this bag lady. Does that make me a hobosexual?)
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To: ovrtaxt

Exactly.

"We must sieze the means of production from the proletariat, and then become the supreme proletariat ourselves.." -What V.I. Lenin really meant to say.


582 posted on 02/07/2006 7:18:29 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Darksheare
Oh good...that'll be great for the tar pots!

We really need to tell King Prout about decal and your new positions and the medals I've bestowed upon you both. These need to be added to the HONOURS' LIST! :-)

583 posted on 02/07/2006 7:20:16 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

We have an honours list?
I must have missed the memo at some point.
Probably due to my tendency to wander aimlessly.


584 posted on 02/07/2006 7:21:57 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: nopardons

I don't really want to start a fight, but, what the hell: How have you, a complete idiot, survived on this board for so long? You come charging in here accusing everyone of being a "commie" (which went out in 1989) and have nothing really positive to add. Shut up.


585 posted on 02/07/2006 7:25:11 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: bannie
"Progressive" is a relative term. Capitalism IS progressive.

Could you be a little clearer about what your point in making this statement to me is. You've left me clueless about what you mean and why you addressed this to me. It sounds like a bunch of gobbledy goop since I have no point of reference from you.

586 posted on 02/07/2006 7:25:11 PM PST by Sally'sConcerns (Native Texan now in SW Ok.)
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To: ClassConscious
BUSTED!
587 posted on 02/07/2006 7:25:57 PM PST by NapkinUser (Georgia FReepers: FReepmail me to be on my 'Casey Cagle for Lt. Governor' ping list)
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To: Darksheare

King has it on his person page. It's all the titles after our nics. Go take a look. :-)


588 posted on 02/07/2006 7:27:43 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Forgot about those.
D'oh!


589 posted on 02/07/2006 7:31:48 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: groanup
Please be so kind as to look at what Jim Robinson posted to the thread and read his changes to the original header.

I called and still call the noob, who began all of this, a COMMIE, because that is exactly what he said he is and his post in January is even more explicit than this one, where he only said that he was a "PROGRESSIVE" and a GREENIE.

The word "PROGRESSIVE" has been used to conceal the actual work COMMUNIST, for at least the past 70 years.

The Green Party IS a Communist organization.

Of course you meant to "START A FIGHT"! LOL

I suggest that it is you, who needs to shut up, lay off the ridiculous personal attacks and insults, and acquire a massive amount of factual knowledge. But if you did do all of that, then we wouldn't be able to laugh AT you and your pathetic posts anymore. LOL

590 posted on 02/07/2006 7:35:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Darksheare

That's why I am the Queen Mum...I am also the keeper of the word. LOL


591 posted on 02/07/2006 7:36:41 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I'm the fountain of bad ideas...


592 posted on 02/07/2006 7:37:09 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Darksheare

And quite a fountain you are! :-)


593 posted on 02/07/2006 7:38:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson
When his bones are picked clean and sun bleached.

Oh, man! And I wasn't here to enjoy it.

594 posted on 02/07/2006 7:38:33 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: Lady Jag

Pick away, he hasn't been zotted yet.


595 posted on 02/07/2006 7:38:59 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Lady Jag

This is the one I told you about. :-)


596 posted on 02/07/2006 7:40:00 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Darksheare

597 posted on 02/07/2006 7:40:21 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: nopardons
Another incarnation, then?


598 posted on 02/07/2006 7:41:17 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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To: nopardons

I know.
It's almost like trying to avoid ones fate, to find that by trying to avoid it you've run smack into it face first.
I am simply fated to inspire bad ideas.


599 posted on 02/07/2006 7:41:43 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: ClassConscious

600 posted on 02/07/2006 7:42:29 PM PST by Lady Jag ( All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and world domination)
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