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In Praise of FR's freedom - from a progressive
by ClassConscious aka SoLongCrooks ^

Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious

Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:

Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!

Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks

Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.

I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.

Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.

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The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.

If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.

I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.

While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.

This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.

I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.


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To: nopardons

When his bones are picked clean and sun bleached.


561 posted on 02/07/2006 6:11:33 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Ouch!
Staked out in the sun!


562 posted on 02/07/2006 6:20:06 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: ClassConscious

What a fascinating personality disorder!


563 posted on 02/07/2006 6:24:41 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: ClassConscious; Army Air Corps
This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.

Dear Class Conscious, your post is riddled with so much contradiction, it looks like a pretzel.

You hate capitalism but work for a capitalist and enjoy the benefits of capitalism and a capitalistic country - maybe it's the fact that you aren't a regular at the capitalists' mansions. We call that class envy.

You don't agree with anything the Republicans or Conservatives stand for and won't become one, even if you found the freedom to express your ideas on a conservative board. You stated above that if you don't follow the party line at DU, your posts and threads get axed, and your head (figuratively speaking.)

Moreover, you realize that FR allows for genuine discussion and unless someone posts insults and behaves like a jerk he/she isn't banned. You should remember, however, that the goal of FR is to further conservatism not liberalism or Green party ideology, since the Green Party is made up mostly of liberals and socialists. You agree with second amendment supporters, and in that regard you are more at home at FR than at DU, but in your own words, “This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican.”

Enjoy your stay.

564 posted on 02/07/2006 6:30:28 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: ClassConscious

A capitalist is not one who has inherited a lot of money.


565 posted on 02/07/2006 6:34:40 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Darksheare

But there are still lots of trolls to ZOT and pave over. :-)


566 posted on 02/07/2006 6:52:51 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Jim Robinson

Oh, okay...I'm working on that; his skeletal remains will soon be ready to be bleached.


567 posted on 02/07/2006 6:53:53 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

This is true.
There will be plenty of lemmings leaping at us, always.


568 posted on 02/07/2006 6:55:04 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Darksheare
This whole episode sucked. He wouldn't even respond to my invitations!
569 posted on 02/07/2006 6:56:56 PM PST by ovrtaxt (I have a crush on this bag lady. Does that make me a hobosexual?)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Good reply.

This one stayed on a bit and actually replied to posts rather than the usual modus operandi of posting and running. The fella was a bit of a wiffenpoof. He was very "pro capitalism" when he was riding the gravy train of hollow dot com stocks. Then, he suffered a loss and became an "anti capitalist". A bit like a kid who loved his bicycle when the training wheels were attached, but who detests all bicycles when he takes a spill. Conservatives were the kids who dusted themselves and remounted the bicycle.
570 posted on 02/07/2006 6:57:18 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Darksheare

Seems to be a LOT of them here lately. So many, that my Commander in Chief of the hot tar barrels, ran out of matches and lighter fluid a day ago.


571 posted on 02/07/2006 6:58:36 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ovrtaxt

Yeah.
He seemed only interested in responding to those who either really flamed him, or those who pretty much took him completely at his word.


Drats.


572 posted on 02/07/2006 6:59:53 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: nopardons

Yeah.
Had to resort to the pine sap treatment.


573 posted on 02/07/2006 7:00:21 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Army Air Corps
A bit like a kid who loved his bicycle when the training wheels were attached, but who detests all bicycles when he takes a spill.

Yeah, that's what he sounds like alright.

574 posted on 02/07/2006 7:01:30 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Darksheare

All I wanted to know was, what does he think of the FairTax? heheh ...


575 posted on 02/07/2006 7:02:12 PM PST by ovrtaxt (I have a crush on this bag lady. Does that make me a hobosexual?)
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To: ovrtaxt

To a member of CPUSA as he is, that is like holding out hot cross buns and garlic bread to a vampire and asking "What do you think of this?"


576 posted on 02/07/2006 7:03:11 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Darksheare

That he did, until I brought him the new load of long wooden matches and several gallon drums of lighter fluid. LOL


577 posted on 02/07/2006 7:05:47 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Ronsonol!
Excellent choice.


578 posted on 02/07/2006 7:06:38 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: Darksheare
I may just have to make you my Chief Procurement Agent, for RBKA. :-)
579 posted on 02/07/2006 7:08:47 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I've been looking for gelled naptha myself.
If I find it, I shall forward it.


580 posted on 02/07/2006 7:10:35 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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