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ISLAM IS OFFENDED .. WELL, SO ARE WE
Daily Mirror (U.K.) ^ | 02/06/06 | Tony Parsons

Posted on 02/06/2006 9:29:24 AM PST by Pokey78

THE trouble with the West is that we have forgotten that some things are sacred.

We find it so difficult to comprehend the reaction of the Muslim world to that ham-fisted Danish cartoon depicting the Prophet Mohammed as a terrorist because our churches stand empty, our faith is weak and our God has left the building.

The idea that this is still a Christian country is laughable. We may haul in the local vicar for weddings and funerals, but that's about it. We worship our idols -celebrity and money, the sex lives of the rich and famous - but the Good Book is about as relevant to most of our lives as the ration book.

Christianity is widely mocked. The feeble humour of the Jerry Springer opera whipped up some half-hearted controversy, but nobody really cared beyond a few Bible-bashers considered to be humourless spoilsports.

Once this was a Christian country, back when we were all singing two hymns a day at school and fretting about burning in hell for our sins.

When I was a child, we could all chant the Lord's Prayer by heart. Do the Vicky Pollards of today know the Lord's Prayer? Can't see it, myself. So I feel an instinctive sympathy for Muslims who still hold to the belief that there is such a thing as blasphemy.

The Muslim community say that those puerile Danish cartoons should not have been printed, and they are right. It would not have been censorship or the curtailment of free speech to not print (and reprint) the offending cartoon. It would have been basic human decency. It would have been cultural restraint at a time when tension between the West and the Muslim world is higher than it has been for centuries.

I have read a number of commentators say that they would "defend to the death" the right of some crappy little Danish paper to print their nasty little cartoons.

But if I am going to die for a cause, then it is going to be a better one than the right of some Scandy cartoonist to print offensive rubbish.

If we are going to argue with Muslims, then let it be about something worthwhile.

The attitude of Islam to women. The attitude of Islam to gays. The attitude of Islam to Israel, which is routinely threatened with extermination by everyone from Hamas to the leader of Iran to mad mullahs with spit on their beards in Finsbury Park.

Printing that cartoon was supremely stupid. Muslims have a right to live their lives without seeing their religion vilified in a way that is designed to cause hurt, anger and offence.

What Muslims should never have the right to do is what they did on the streets of London on Friday. Around 500 demonstrators marched from the Regent's Park mosque to the Danish embassy, carrying the most sickening placards I have ever seen in my life.

On the streets of the city where Londoners were murdered and maimed on July 7, the pinhead protesters carried slogans boasting: "Europe, you'll come crawling when mujahideen come roaring" and "Behead those who insult Islam". On the same streets where four terrorists committed mass murder, a placard gloated: "Europe you will pay - fantastic 4 are on their way".

A toddler, 20-month-old Farisa Jihad, was dressed by some moronic adult in a hat that sneered: "I love Al-Qaida".

And they got away with it. Nobody was arrested for these sickening incitements to murder. Nobody was charged for spewing slogans of hate that gloated about the dead and broken bodies of July 7.

And that offends me. That offends me to the core of my being.

Responsible Muslim leaders have already condemned the appalling placards. But it happened. And I can't think of any thing more likely to create real loathing for Muslims. I can't think of anything more likely to make the BNP a real force in British politics.

I can't think of anything more likely to make the average British citizen - whatever his colour - ask: Whose country is it anyway?

MUSLIMS deserve the respect accorded to all our people. They take their religion infinitely more seriously than we do, and we should understand that. And if they want to burn down a few empty Scandinavian embassies in Syria because of crass depictions of the Prophet Mohammed, then personally I couldn't care less.

But when someone starts carrying placards in my city gloating about 9/11 and 7/7, when men with big mouths start promising death and destruction, when you tell us that we will be massacred if we offend you, then our tolerance is pushed to breaking-point. Muslims deserve to have their faith respected.

But if they want a Muslim country, then perhaps they should go and live in one.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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To: Pokey78

I couldn't agree more with the author. He is exactly right.


61 posted on 02/06/2006 10:10:25 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: TAdams8591
No, the author isn't exactly right...

You cannot please by apeasing...

62 posted on 02/06/2006 10:11:58 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (13th AF, 3rd TFW, 3rd AGS, 3rd AMU - ESC The Blue Screw will get you too! 86-89)
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To: Pokey78
But if they want a Muslim country, then perhaps they should go and live in one.

But that's exactly the point...they think they already live there!

In truth, it's only a matter of time. Given their immigration and birth rates (and the abortion rates in the West) France will be an Islamic country in 50 years. Been to other European nations lately? Same thing is happening....everywhere.

63 posted on 02/06/2006 10:13:57 AM PST by O6ret
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Where does the author suggest appeasement??

I expect respect for all religions, Islam as well as my own. With Freedon of speech comes responsibility. The publishing of those cartoons was disrespectful, irresponsible and stupid.

That said, the Muslim reaction, is way out of proportion and far worse than the offenisve nature of the original cartoons.

64 posted on 02/06/2006 10:18:06 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: Pokey78

The 20 month old kid is named "Farisa Jihad." That's interesting. The rest of the article is half common sense and half BS.


65 posted on 02/06/2006 10:20:54 AM PST by Malesherbes
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To: O6ret
But if they want a Muslim country, then perhaps they should go and live in one.

Wishful thinking, they will not turn back. Their countries are not modern countries with amenities they want; so they have come to take your country and your standard of living for their own. Soon you will be worshiping in mosques or be dead.

66 posted on 02/06/2006 10:21:45 AM PST by tioga (Where is spring???)
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To: TAdams8591
What of the cartoons did you find objective?

Do you wail and undulate when Jesus is depicted in parody?

What part of the Cartoons didn't depict a level of truth?

Respect for religion is fine, but they do not respect you or the Christian faith. Again, you do not have to be tolerant to the intolerant.

67 posted on 02/06/2006 10:23:09 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (13th AF, 3rd TFW, 3rd AGS, 3rd AMU - ESC The Blue Screw will get you too! 86-89)
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To: ClearCase_guy

No...the condemnations were given where they couldn't be heard by anybody.....lest heads would literally roll. heh heh heh


68 posted on 02/06/2006 10:25:27 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: Pokey78

bump


69 posted on 02/06/2006 10:28:35 AM PST by VOA
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To: Pokey78
"But if I am going to die for a cause, then it is going to be a better one than the right of some Scandy cartoonist to print offensive rubbish."

This is a man who would trade his freedom and live in slavery in exchange for peace and security and the right to arrest those who offend him. His is a disgusting worm of a man who deserves neither freedom or security.

No one in a free society has the right to "not be offended".

he says: "And they got away with it. Nobody was arrested for these sickening incitements to murder. Nobody was charged for spewing slogans of hate that gloated about the dead and broken bodies of July 7."

"And that offends me. That offends me to the core of my being."

So what you pathetic excuse for a man? No one was killed, no one injured. Tony Parsons values are warped beyond all belief. He would throw away free speech, one of the fundamentals of freedom and liberty, in exchange for not having his feelings hurt.

He is scum, pond excrement, beneath my contempt!
70 posted on 02/06/2006 10:29:02 AM PST by monday
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To: Vaquero

Says it ALL.


71 posted on 02/06/2006 10:30:24 AM PST by SueRae
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To: Zavien Doombringer
I have spoken out when Jesus has been disrespected. That too is wrong. Just because you CAN say something doesn't mean you should. ALL religions should be respected whether we like them or not.

And No christians don't threaten death when Jesus is disrespected. I condemn the Muslims for their response and so does the author.

The author says it extremely well. I agree with the entire article.

72 posted on 02/06/2006 10:31:18 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: Pokey78

Some attacking the messenger... LoL..


73 posted on 02/06/2006 10:33:31 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: cowdog77

"Well written....cuts to the chase."

It's a truck load of cr@p is what it is!


74 posted on 02/06/2006 10:34:01 AM PST by monday
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To: Pokey78

tony, tony, you almost get it: the proof of the validity of the cartoons was found in the response to them.

islam is a bloody, murdering, insane death cult cum organized crime racket. has been from its inception. by the design of its founder. yeah: mohammed.


75 posted on 02/06/2006 10:34:41 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Physicist

I recall a time in America when we had free speech AND people weren't placing crucifixes in urine. It is possible to have both.


76 posted on 02/06/2006 10:35:54 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: Vaquero

RE: Post 19

Never heard it said it better !!!!!!!!!


77 posted on 02/06/2006 10:36:14 AM PST by omronnie (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column and Peacefull Islam is the Sixth.)
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To: areafiftyone

And the Japs took their 'religion' a whole lot more seriously during WWII.


78 posted on 02/06/2006 10:37:02 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Dacus943
"But if they want a Muslim country, then perhaps they should go and live in one."

But that is not how Muslims think. They demand nothing less than a world-wide caliphate. They think they have an inherent right to rule over every single country. They do not see themselves as "guests," they see themselves as eventual rulers.

79 posted on 02/06/2006 10:39:07 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: SirLinksalot
"Whoooops, watch that cartoon, the Islamists might be watching and spoiling for a reason to create chaos here..."

hmmm..... So is it reasonable to assume you are a coward and a Muslim appeaser or do you just play one on FR?
80 posted on 02/06/2006 10:39:37 AM PST by monday
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