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ISLAM IS OFFENDED .. WELL, SO ARE WE
Daily Mirror (U.K.) ^ | 02/06/06 | Tony Parsons

Posted on 02/06/2006 9:29:24 AM PST by Pokey78

THE trouble with the West is that we have forgotten that some things are sacred.

We find it so difficult to comprehend the reaction of the Muslim world to that ham-fisted Danish cartoon depicting the Prophet Mohammed as a terrorist because our churches stand empty, our faith is weak and our God has left the building.

The idea that this is still a Christian country is laughable. We may haul in the local vicar for weddings and funerals, but that's about it. We worship our idols -celebrity and money, the sex lives of the rich and famous - but the Good Book is about as relevant to most of our lives as the ration book.

Christianity is widely mocked. The feeble humour of the Jerry Springer opera whipped up some half-hearted controversy, but nobody really cared beyond a few Bible-bashers considered to be humourless spoilsports.

Once this was a Christian country, back when we were all singing two hymns a day at school and fretting about burning in hell for our sins.

When I was a child, we could all chant the Lord's Prayer by heart. Do the Vicky Pollards of today know the Lord's Prayer? Can't see it, myself. So I feel an instinctive sympathy for Muslims who still hold to the belief that there is such a thing as blasphemy.

The Muslim community say that those puerile Danish cartoons should not have been printed, and they are right. It would not have been censorship or the curtailment of free speech to not print (and reprint) the offending cartoon. It would have been basic human decency. It would have been cultural restraint at a time when tension between the West and the Muslim world is higher than it has been for centuries.

I have read a number of commentators say that they would "defend to the death" the right of some crappy little Danish paper to print their nasty little cartoons.

But if I am going to die for a cause, then it is going to be a better one than the right of some Scandy cartoonist to print offensive rubbish.

If we are going to argue with Muslims, then let it be about something worthwhile.

The attitude of Islam to women. The attitude of Islam to gays. The attitude of Islam to Israel, which is routinely threatened with extermination by everyone from Hamas to the leader of Iran to mad mullahs with spit on their beards in Finsbury Park.

Printing that cartoon was supremely stupid. Muslims have a right to live their lives without seeing their religion vilified in a way that is designed to cause hurt, anger and offence.

What Muslims should never have the right to do is what they did on the streets of London on Friday. Around 500 demonstrators marched from the Regent's Park mosque to the Danish embassy, carrying the most sickening placards I have ever seen in my life.

On the streets of the city where Londoners were murdered and maimed on July 7, the pinhead protesters carried slogans boasting: "Europe, you'll come crawling when mujahideen come roaring" and "Behead those who insult Islam". On the same streets where four terrorists committed mass murder, a placard gloated: "Europe you will pay - fantastic 4 are on their way".

A toddler, 20-month-old Farisa Jihad, was dressed by some moronic adult in a hat that sneered: "I love Al-Qaida".

And they got away with it. Nobody was arrested for these sickening incitements to murder. Nobody was charged for spewing slogans of hate that gloated about the dead and broken bodies of July 7.

And that offends me. That offends me to the core of my being.

Responsible Muslim leaders have already condemned the appalling placards. But it happened. And I can't think of any thing more likely to create real loathing for Muslims. I can't think of anything more likely to make the BNP a real force in British politics.

I can't think of anything more likely to make the average British citizen - whatever his colour - ask: Whose country is it anyway?

MUSLIMS deserve the respect accorded to all our people. They take their religion infinitely more seriously than we do, and we should understand that. And if they want to burn down a few empty Scandinavian embassies in Syria because of crass depictions of the Prophet Mohammed, then personally I couldn't care less.

But when someone starts carrying placards in my city gloating about 9/11 and 7/7, when men with big mouths start promising death and destruction, when you tell us that we will be massacred if we offend you, then our tolerance is pushed to breaking-point. Muslims deserve to have their faith respected.

But if they want a Muslim country, then perhaps they should go and live in one.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
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To: isthisnickcool
Responsible Muslim leaders have already condemned the appalling placards.

Those who start fires shouldn't complain about the smoke.

41 posted on 02/06/2006 9:49:38 AM PST by gogeo
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To: montag813

Love the picture! ROFL!!!!!!


42 posted on 02/06/2006 9:49:49 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Not a nickel, not a dime, stop sending my tax money to Hamastine!)
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To: montag813
You finally found a bullet proof host! LOL.
43 posted on 02/06/2006 9:50:27 AM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Right on!


44 posted on 02/06/2006 9:50:33 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (Not a nickel, not a dime, stop sending my tax money to Hamastine!)
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To: Pokey78
"Muslims have a right to live their lives without seeing their religion vilified in a way that is designed to cause hurt, anger and offence."

No they don't. There is no right to an offence free world.

Muslims are murdering people in response to a CARTOON! There is a right to life in spite of drawings.

Catch a freaking clue.

45 posted on 02/06/2006 9:50:42 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Muhammed "consummated that marriage when she (Aisha) was nine years old." Bukhari vol.5:236 p.153.)
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To: Pokey78
He seems to be saying that because he doesn't take Christianity seriously then it's ok to mock it, but it's another total thing for someone to mock islam, because some muslims take it seriously. His perspective if wrong...he's including himself as a Christian when it seems clear that he is not.
46 posted on 02/06/2006 9:51:52 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: randita

Muslims who felt offended
By cartoons a Dane had rended
Said it is only right
That your cultures we fight
Until the entire world has been ended.


47 posted on 02/06/2006 9:52:17 AM PST by dblshot
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To: Pokey78

"Lions of Islam"/Islamic `brothers': "empty headed animal food trough wipers"

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-08.htm

Rally behind King Arthur!


48 posted on 02/06/2006 9:53:39 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: Pokey78
So I feel an instinctive sympathy for Muslims who still hold to the belief that there is such a thing as blasphemy.

Yes, there is blasphemy...and we had all better INSIST upon our right to blaspheme. Anything you say might someday be counted as blasphemy by somebody.

And yes, that means somebody might stick a crucifix in a jar of urine from time to time. But that's the price of being able to say the name of some heathen god without having your head chopped off.

49 posted on 02/06/2006 9:54:02 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Pokey78
We worship our idols -celebrity and money, the sex lives of the rich and famous - but the Good Book is about as relevant to most of our lives as the ration book.

Quit projecting your own choices onto me you filthy Leftist.
50 posted on 02/06/2006 9:57:27 AM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: randita
Also, respect cuts both ways. How much respect is granted to Christians in Muslim countries?

And to those Muslims who live in the West and claim not support the disrespectful treatment that Christianity and Judaism receives in those countries, how many are denouncing it as fervently as denounce these cartoons?

51 posted on 02/06/2006 9:57:29 AM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: Pokey78
And if they want to burn down a few empty Scandinavian embassies in Syria because of crass depictions of the Prophet Mohammed, then personally I couldn't care less.

It reminds me of some lines written just before the start of WWII from a German citizens point of view.

They took away the gypsies, but I did nothing for I was not a gypsy. They took away the homosexuals, but I did nothing for I was not a homosexual. They took away the Jews, but I did nothing for I was not a Jew. When they came for me, I cried out for help, but there was nobody left to help me.

The author should about that next time he says he could care less about some Muslim atrocity committed outside his neighborhood.

Best Regards

Sergio

52 posted on 02/06/2006 9:58:19 AM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Pokey78

It's interesting that these cartoons have come out of Europe. On the whole we envision a Europe that is apologetic and disgustingly p.c. when it comes to anything but Christianity. The cartoons are a minor thing and the response has absolutely nothing to do with them. After spending a good deal of time in Europe, an underlying, suppressed racism is very clear. Europe will not let their countries be transformed into Islamic states. This short period of apathy won't last long. The history of militant Europe proves that.


53 posted on 02/06/2006 9:58:32 AM PST by Aslan527
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To: Pokey78
"if they want to burn down a few empty Scandinavian embassies in Syria because of crass depictions of the Prophet Mohammed, then personally I couldn't care less."

Correspondingly, I couldn't care less if they burned down your house. No bigee.

54 posted on 02/06/2006 10:00:00 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Muhammed "consummated that marriage when she (Aisha) was nine years old." Bukhari vol.5:236 p.153.)
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To: Pokey78
Also, respect cuts both ways. How much respect is granted to Christians in Muslim countries?

This is how much they respect us, by removing our heads from our bodies.
55 posted on 02/06/2006 10:02:57 AM PST by Jeremiah2911
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
It is ironic that the public reactions to these cartoons, both in predominantly Musilim countries, and elsewhere, provide better evidence for the substance of the truths they depict than any of their defenders on "free speech" grounds could possibly bring forward.

It's also ironic in how it exposes the, uh, "dual" nature of tolerance as understood by liberals. When someone offends Christians, it is the Christians who are intolerant. When someone offends Muslims, it is the offenders who are intolerant.

56 posted on 02/06/2006 10:04:14 AM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: blueminnesota
They aren't offended enough

Whoooops, watch that cartoon, the Islamists might be watching and spoiling for a reason to create chaos here...
57 posted on 02/06/2006 10:04:31 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: Pokey78
MUSLIMS deserve the respect accorded to all our people. They take their religion infinitely more seriously than we do, and we should understand that.

I don't respect anyone that physically harms people or property while 'rioting', no matter what the reason for the riot.

And I sure don't respect writers who think it perfectly acceptable for someone to do so.

58 posted on 02/06/2006 10:05:03 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SirLinksalot

You mean without that cartoon they would have loved us? ;-)


59 posted on 02/06/2006 10:07:53 AM PST by blueminnesota
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To: Pokey78
Muslims have a right to live their lives without seeing their religion vilified in a way that is designed to cause hurt, anger and offence.

No they don't. Especially after they use their religion as justification to act like barbarians. Their own words, actions and reactions have vilified themselves and their religion.

60 posted on 02/06/2006 10:09:49 AM PST by auboy
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