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Vanity: European Islamic Powderkeg: Exploding in nation near you? Civil Rights or Civil Disorder?
02/05/06 | Bob the redneck

Posted on 02/05/2006 3:29:16 AM PST by Caipirabob

Well, the powderkeg in Europe finally seems to have ignited. Driven to the brink of insanity over the assault on Islamicist sensitivities by the Sunday comics, Islamicists in Europe have exploded in anger over their perceived persecution and the overall insult of their religion of peace.

We are seeing protests take violent form all over Europe and the Middle East. In one case, gunmen stormed one of the satellite offices of one of the offending publishers. Altogether, the whole of Europe is wishing they had simply brought back old reruns of "Peanuts". Charlie Brown seemed to keep his nose out of these affairs, after all.

But I'm more than a little concerned, given what we've seen of Europe and their ability to confront such issues in the days since 9/11. Please indulge me:

Tell me, does this make you think of a the civil rights riots I've read about in the 1960's? Now back then, blacks had a completely valid complaint over equality, dignity and respect. I mean, the thought that some of my family or friends at some point would have to sit on the back of the bus because they were morena, mulatto or black angers me to no end. Heck, if my son spends a day at the beach or talks about going outside he turns a dark shade of brown. I'd go nuts if someone treated him differently because of that and made him sit of the back of the bus.

But we haven't done anything to Islamicists . Zip, zero...nada.

It seems to me the Islamicists in question in these scenarios immigrated into these European societies and seamlessly integrated with their welfare cultures. They immediately reached for the table-scraps/handouts that each society provided as a safety-net for the truly incapacitated and needy or their pathetic losers. And boy, did they come in droves.

So now we have a handful of European countries with a huge segment of Islamicists . Some may have risen above the others and integrated to the culture/economy and general traits of the given nation, but most clung pathetically to their archaic cultural traits that they brought with them. In doing so, they condemned themselves to the lowest common denominator of European society.

So despite periodic flare ups of intolerance and hatred on the part of these miserable immigrants, we are now seeing them assert themselves as a persecuted minority.

The complaint of persecution is the only point where I see the likeness of the 1960's.

But it ends with that. There just isn't any comparison of the two beyond the discontent and the rioting.

In addition, the complaints aren't over persecution so much as "Why won't society sink to our level so we can access it?!?"

Well, I can tell that in America, the blacks may have their problems in certain areas, but millions of them have excelled beyond any social barriers that formerly existed. I can also tell you first hand that many Muslim immigrants have done so as well. These people recognized what it took to excel in America, followed the rules and succeeded. In fact, I have a very close friend who's marrying one who's exceptionally successful (and her Islamicist parents heartily approve of the match.)

But not so in Europe? They probably have their success stories. The thing is, I just don't see the societal barriers that blacks had to confront as a minority in the 1960's. The blacks were the pioneers who demolished that barrier and have cleared the way for all subsequent groups of minorities to succeed thereafter without fear of such persecution. Members of my own family will live a better life because of this effort. I don't know about Europe, but I hardly belive for a second that they have any societal barriers in the sense that America had in the 1960's.

So where does all this anger in come from in European society? Where do they get the nerve to become violent and threaten true natives over the immigrant's cultural failure that has left them to fending for European table scraps?

To finally arrive at my point, my concern is this: In the 1960's not only society but law had to change in order to provide a grounds for equality and fairness that would serve humanity. This is absolutely necessary. The laws implemented have since served their purpose and we have seen a remarkable integration of blacks into mainstream society. Suffice to say, should black, latinos, asians or any other group desire to succeed, the roadblocks that formerly existed have been cleared away and these groups all stand on equal ground.

Yet in Europe today, there are no such roadblocks. The differences are entirely cultural, not race-based from the aspect of color. And those differences on part of Europe are what enables them to be successful nations in comparison with the homelands of the immigrants in question.

If Europe was to invoke law to implement policy to make the cultural aspects of these immigrants accepted as a societal standard, it would demean their society at the cost of their national identity. It would eventually lead to the destruction of their nation and leave them no better than the holes that these immigrants arrived from to begin with.

So what is the solution here? It's not a rights issue so much as a survival issue on the part of European society.

If the Europeans submit to the type of change being demanded from the immigrant groups, it will not lead to the embracing of equality that was demanded by minority groups in the 1960's. It will lead to the implementation of cultural traits as defined by the failed societies of Islamicist immigrants, the very same societies from which they finally escaped to Europe.

So what happens now? Does Europe cave in to the demands of this large minority group? Does the whole of Europe restructure their society and implement sharia law so that they can live in peace with their new Islamicist overlords? How long will that peace last before more demands arrive? When do they draw the line and decide that they will no longer exist as a culture themselves if they give in to these demands?

In short, cultural traits can be summed up as personal behavior. It is a choice that one makes in their life. If the said persecution was based upon color and race, in which one has no choice, it would be insufferable and inexcusable. I would side with them on that basis immediately. However, behavior, being a choice, is not a protected right. We don't tolerate criminals in society, we lock them away in jails. So if the criminal population suddenly complained that they were being persecuted because their culture implied that theft is normal, should we change society to conform with their beliefs? Not in America. How will Europe handle this new scenario with their cultural differences? What will the Europeans decide when Islamicists demand that Sharia law should govern all of them and that they are being persecuted because it doesn't currently?

I don't have those answers. I also have no faith in the resolve of the Europeans to survive as a people. They are lost to Socialism and have no values to defend as a result. Turn to God for help? They asked God to leave Europe long ago, and nature filled the vaccum with Islam.

So now, all that's left to do is watch the dominoes fall.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: comics; europe; jihadineurope; muslims; riots
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To: Caipirabob
Feel the love, Europe!


21 posted on 02/05/2006 5:30:50 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

The biggest problem with Islam has been the Wahabbists. This particular strain of Islamic fundementalism is distinguished by its rabidness, hatred, and pleasure of violence. It should be declared illegal. But it won't.

Muslim immigrants of a generation ago where peaceful and humble. It is their sons, taught by Wahabby crazies, that are the violent protesters and beheaders of today. They need to throw every wahabby imman out today. The enemy isn't Islam, but wahabbism. Unless Europe can make a distinction and then act on it, they have no real chances to survive.

BTW, the Wahabbists were a little known sect of Islam from Saudi Arabia that got to this prominent point from Saudi oil money. Money paid by Western nations. Ironic. Still, we need to exterminate them.


22 posted on 02/05/2006 6:07:51 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!
Muslim immigrants of a generation ago where peaceful and humble. It is their sons, taught by Wahabby crazies, that are the violent protesters and beheaders of today. They need to throw every wahabby imman out today. The enemy isn't Islam, but wahabbism.

Excellent point. In America I've seen generational Americans and new arrivals of Muslim faith who have assimilated to our society and values while maintining their identity as Muslims. They are successful and worthy contributers to society.

But the Wahhabists or Islamicists are out to promote Islam as superior to native beliefs. This is right out of the radical teachings of it's followers. They are the major concern and threat that must be defeated.

Yet I won't go as far as to say any of them are safe when push comes to shove. Many innocents will suffer due to the extremists among them. I for one am not willing to risk our nation for the benefit of those who have remained silent for far too long.

23 posted on 02/05/2006 7:33:50 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

Where the hell are those coordinates for a JDAM when you need them?


24 posted on 02/05/2006 8:37:45 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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