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New York City Smokers are in trouble: WEB BUYERS $MOKED OUT
yahoonews.com ^ | Feb 3, 2006

Posted on 02/04/2006 3:38:24 AM PST by SheLion

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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
How in hell does anyone know what you buy on the Internet? That's the real scary part.

It probably won`t be that hard as the gov will lean heavily on the major players,Ebay,Amazon,etc.

They will be under threat of having to fork the money over themselves or start collecting the various state taxes at the point of purchase.

Once that becomes the norm,every retailer will be required to do the same.

21 posted on 02/04/2006 4:30:48 AM PST by carlr
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To: jk4hc4
But thats the lefty way--Spend $10.00 of tax payer money to collect $1.50. Real good business move.

Some in Illinois are ignoring the notice all together and then they stop.

I tell everyone that if they DO pay any money, to make sure they keep all their receipts and correspondence.

Don't throw anything away!


22 posted on 02/04/2006 4:32:04 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: jk4hc4
But thats the lefty way--Spend $10.00 of tax payer money to collect $1.50. Real good business move.

The government is trying to scare people into compliance so they don't have to spend any taxpayer money to collect taxes.

A lot of New Yorkers will probably buy their smokes from the Mafia who will smuggle cigarettes in to New York from low tax states. The state government has created a black market for cigarettes.
23 posted on 02/04/2006 4:33:00 AM PST by Ticonderoga34
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To: zert_28
A lot of New Yorkers will probably buy their smokes from the Mafia who will smuggle cigarettes in to New York from low tax states. The state government has created a black market for cigarettes.

Without a doubt.  They shot the goose that laid the golden egg!

24 posted on 02/04/2006 4:40:06 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Always Right

I quit 12 years ago but thought I'd tell you that cigs in Japan are one of the few bargains available to consumers here - about $ 2 a pack .


25 posted on 02/04/2006 4:44:14 AM PST by sushiman
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To: son of caesar

you hit the cupie doll on the head. they use smokers, a vilified group as the test case. the rest of shoppers who use the internet are next, after all, its only fair right?
precedent, precedent, precedent.




And it will hapen within the next few years. Remember my prediction. Internet sales are growing by leaps & bounds, and state budgets are all hurting. $$$$ to be purloined. Hell, I've probably bought over $300 worth of toy ray guns alone on the net in the last year(for my collection). Also did most of my Christmas shopping on it. Beats going out in the cold. The states will have so big a cash cow here, you can't even imagine. The money they raked off the smokers will look like chump change.


26 posted on 02/04/2006 4:44:16 AM PST by The Foolkiller (It is not enough today for the deviant to be normalized. The normal must be found to be deviant.)
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To: SheLion

Here's another story for you. Years ago, when I was married, my wife got a job for about three-four months before Christmas, to help with the expense of it. She never worked other than that the whole time we were married. I filed taxes as I always did. After we'd divorced, the IRS came after me for back taxes, claiming I'd made a mistake that year when filing. The bastards waited 7 years to the day-since that's the cut-off point for coming after you. That way, they let the interest build up. The initial mistake was for roughly 250.00. With their interest -compounded on a DAILY basis (yes, you read that right), I owed them close to $3,000. I started trying to pay it off, but never got very far ahead, since the interest kept outgaining me. I finally had to take a loan out at my credit union to pay it off & get them out of my hair. Took me almost two years to pay that loan back, but it was worth it.


27 posted on 02/04/2006 4:55:07 AM PST by The Foolkiller (It is not enough today for the deviant to be normalized. The normal must be found to be deviant.)
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To: SheLion
and impose a $100-a-carton penalty

That's nuts.

28 posted on 02/04/2006 4:57:56 AM PST by Glenn (What I've dared, I've willed; and what I've willed, I'll do!)
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To: The Foolkiller
The states will have so big a cash cow here, you can't even imagine. The money they raked off the smokers will look like chump change.

The thing of it is:  when an online store has an outlet in your state, then they have to charge state taxes.

29 posted on 02/04/2006 4:59:32 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: The Foolkiller
With their interest -compounded on a DAILY basis (yes, you read that right), I owed them close to $3,000. I started trying to pay it off, but never got very far ahead, since the interest kept outgaining me. I finally had to take a loan out at my credit union to pay it off & get them out of my hair. Took me almost two years to pay that loan back, but it was worth it.

aaarrrrrggggggghhhh

30 posted on 02/04/2006 5:01:15 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Glenn

Well, that's NY


31 posted on 02/04/2006 5:02:39 AM PST by Neets
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To: The Foolkiller

Did you know that after you paid it off and got your paid in full slip from them you could file to have all the penalties and intrest returned to you? I had a similiar situation and my tax lady got it all back for me except of course the actual tax paid.


32 posted on 02/04/2006 5:03:11 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: All
I really don't have a dog in this fight, but - I've fought for years for cannabis user's rights.

What I have found that seems relevant to the tobacco user's plight is this - It seems that the governments formulate laws which by design cause the price of a said commodity to rise to artificially high prices so that the governments can reap the highest profit level possible. The governments probably learned some key information to use on this agenda from the prohibition of alcohol.

There is a huge spread between what tobacco actually costs to produce and what the public has to pay for it. It might be time to grow your own or at least roll your own.

33 posted on 02/04/2006 5:10:21 AM PST by winston2 (In matters of necessity let there be unity, in matters of doubt liberty, and in all things charity:)
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To: Black Birch

The use tax violates the federal interstate commerce clause and is illegal. But rest asssured that the feds will do nothing to stop it.

We started losing our constitutional republic 80 years ago and the march toward a socialist-collectivist state that doesn't recognize individual or state sovereignty continues.


34 posted on 02/04/2006 5:39:07 AM PST by sergeantdave (And on the second day The Lord created February - the slowest month of the year.)
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To: SheLion

Another alternative...Quit smoking...smell a heck of a lot better...


35 posted on 02/04/2006 5:41:39 AM PST by dakine
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To: Black Birch
Illinois has something called a use tax. If you buy your smokes some place else, then your suppose to pay the tax. Illinois also has a use tax for consumer goods. New York City obviously has something similar.

So does Connecticut. I was stationed there in the 70s and they wanted to collect sales tax on a car I had purchased three states ago. (They didn't get it.)

36 posted on 02/04/2006 6:00:50 AM PST by CPOSharky (Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Like demoncrats.)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

They know through subpoena power. All they have to do is march into court and ask for a subpoena for the vendor to provide sales records of who from their state or city bought what. The vendor either complies or gets hammered with contempt fines.

The records have to be kept to make certain that what is claimed on IRS forms has backing in the records. Just a matter of finding the right records.

It might be more difficult to get records of stereo and clothing sales though because they aren't regulated by the ATF.

Everything you purchase online is recorded with the vendor and with the credit card company.

As cities and states become more desperate expect for these things to happen. We live within 25 miles of the NY state border. PA doesn't tax food or clothes while NY does. At one time NY tax agents were driving around mall parking lots recording the license numbers of NY cars then sending letters to the owners asking what they bought and please pay the tax on it. This usually happens right around the time people are buying school clothes.

Something to be said for paying with cash.


37 posted on 02/04/2006 6:03:43 AM PST by msrngtp2002
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To: SheLion
Ye cats and little kittens! Who sponsors these laws? The Mafia?? They're the one who stand to reap a fortune.

And on that note: I remember hearing on the radio about Anh-Bush Beer Company knows that every summer approx. 1 out of every 5 of their delivery trucks will be hijacked by organized crime. A guy will come into a diner, walk up to the driver of the AB truck, stuff a $100 bill in his shirt pocket and say, "You didn't see nothing." The empty truck will be found, pulled over to the side, a mile or so down the road.

Yup....now wouldn't you just love being distribution manager at a tobacco company?

38 posted on 02/04/2006 6:07:40 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: CPOSharky
So does Connecticut. I was stationed there in the 70s and they wanted to collect sales tax on a car I had purchased three states ago. (They didn't get it.)

Illinois also sticks it to used car buyers. You can't get plates until you pay the tax.

39 posted on 02/04/2006 6:10:40 AM PST by EVO X
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To: msrngtp2002
Everything you purchase online is recorded with the vendor and with the credit card company.

You can buy prepaid cards in drugstores and such, which you can use as credit cards for making online purchases. One more step towards preserving your anonymity

PA doesn't tax food or clothes while NY does. At one time NY tax agents were driving around mall parking lots recording the license numbers of NY cars

PA sells liquor only thru official "State Stores". They were annoyed at Philly people going into NJ to get lower prices and better selection at one point, and had agents take down license numbers of people in the liquor stores just across the bridge, and had people pulled over at the tolls.

40 posted on 02/04/2006 6:20:52 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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