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Ferry with 1,400 sinks; most feared dead
Associated Press ^ | Feb. 3, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 02/03/2006 1:22:36 PM PST by libstripper

SAFAGA, Egypt - An Egyptian passenger ferry carrying nearly 1,400 people sank in the Red Sea early Friday during bad weather, and rescue ships and helicopters pulled dozens of survivors and bodies from the water. At least 263 escaped on lifeboats, the transport minister said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: egypt; ferrysinking
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To: libstripper

The other question worth asking is how many passengers was the ferry rated for? A common thread in these sort of tragedies often seems to be a gross disregard for safe loading limits.


21 posted on 02/03/2006 1:54:00 PM PST by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: AustinBill
The other question worth asking is how many passengers was the ferry rated for?

Nope, the only question worth asking is how many more such ferries can we help to the bottom?

22 posted on 02/03/2006 1:56:44 PM PST by Wolfstar (Someday when we meet up yonder, we'll stroll hand in hand again, in a land that knows no parting...)
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To: libstripper

What immediately occurred to me was the high center of gravity, and the narrow beam. IMO it was just a matter of time.


23 posted on 02/03/2006 1:57:08 PM PST by Banjoguy (I will rot in Hell before I buy another Dell!)
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To: libstripper

Wasn't the original story that there were over three thousand people on board? Is this the same accident?


24 posted on 02/03/2006 2:03:48 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: libstripper

I'm praying for these people.


25 posted on 02/03/2006 2:21:34 PM PST by stormlead
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To: stormlead

Just because they are Muslims, we are not and should not be in a position to gloat over the deaths of innocent Muslims of the ferry disaster because of what has happened in the past few days. We should instead offer our prayers and hopes that many will be found alive and safe from harm. Righteousness gloating over innocent deaths is a disgusting form of display. We're much better than that.

http://kokonutpundits.blogspot.com/2006/02/time-to-extend-prayers-and.html


26 posted on 02/03/2006 2:24:58 PM PST by kokonut
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To: libstripper
“It’s a roll-on, roll-off ferry, and there is big question mark over the stability of this kind of ship,”

No, there isn't. If you properly secure the doors (particularly the bow doors), that is.

27 posted on 02/03/2006 2:40:10 PM PST by PAR35
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To: nmh
Maybe their allah isn't happy with them?

Really!
First the Tsunami wipes out Indonesian Aceh,
then the earthquakes in Pakistan and Iran,
the deadly stampedes and fires in Mecca,
now this!

28 posted on 02/03/2006 2:42:23 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: Red Badger

No, they have sinks, just no soap!!


29 posted on 02/03/2006 3:53:44 PM PST by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: libstripper

Regardless of how it happened, it's a terrible tragedy. God rest their souls.


30 posted on 02/03/2006 3:58:36 PM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: headsonpikes

"You'd think that Egyptians would have learned to be wary of crossing the Red Sea in large numbers!"

BEST LINE AWARD


31 posted on 02/03/2006 4:08:32 PM PST by Quanah
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To: Truth29
It has been reported that Egypt turned down an offer of ships to help from Israel.

How typically bigoted and shortsighted and Arab.

I was stationed on the USS Saratoga during the first Gulf War. Around Christmas in 1991, we were in Haifa, Israel for liberty. On the first night of liberty, a ferry boat carrying a little over 100 of my shipmates, including my chief, got swamped in heavy seas and sank just a few hundred yards off the fantail. Twenty-two men died, including the chief who was sitting next to my chief on the ferry. He didn't remember a thing - he said that one minute they were in water up to their waists, and the next thing he knew he had somehow made it back to the surface.

The Israeli search and rescue teams were absolutely first rate - they had a helo up looking for survivors before we could launch one. They were a big reason why a lot more men didn't die that night. If the Egyptians turned down Israeli assistance, it's their loss. Of course, since they'll probably blame the Joooos for the sinking anyway, the higher the body count the better from their perspective.

32 posted on 02/03/2006 4:12:39 PM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: libstripper

Here's something I've been wondering all day, and maybe some of you old Navy salts with some savvy on the matter could chime in: is there any chance - any chance at all - that this ship ran into one of those old World War II mines we sometimes read about, or maybe something similar of more recent vintage left over from some Middle Eastern conflict at one time or another?

I have the feeling that the possibility's remote, and that, in the end, it'll turn out to have been something to do with the weather - which was reported to be bad - and the fact that this craft looks extremely "top heavy" to my (admittedly untutored) eye. But... I mean, after all, comparable ships sail all the time, and this one had been in service for decades without a mishap. So why now?

From the apparent suddenness of the sinking, indicated by the absence of a Mayday and the scarcity of survivors, it seems like something catastrophic and unexpected occurred. So... absent deliberate sabotage, that's why I'm wondering about some form of out-dated ordnance.

Any comments? Anyone?


33 posted on 02/03/2006 4:14:55 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer
Any comments? Anyone?

Maybe a bilge or ballast pump failed, and they were unable to either trim the ship properly for the heavy seas or they were unable to get rid of excess water they shipped, again due to heavy seas. In the ferry boat sinking I described in Post 32, it was speculated that a pump failure may have been the cause. I had duty that night, and I remember standing on ther flight deck earlier in the day watching that little boat swoop up and down like a bathtub toy on the waves and thinking that I was glad I wasn't on board that thing.

34 posted on 02/03/2006 4:24:57 PM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: Banjoguy

They stack so many people on the upper decks that they become top heavy. Especially not good in bad weather.


35 posted on 02/03/2006 4:39:11 PM PST by TheLion
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To: McGavin999

agreed.


36 posted on 02/03/2006 4:41:58 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: CFC__VRWC

So you think this out-dated ordnance idea is too far-fetched...?


37 posted on 02/03/2006 4:45:50 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: CFC__VRWC

I mean, if they were having trouble trimming the ship, wouldn't they have known they were in trouble with enough advance warming to send out a Mayday?

I'm a completely landlubber, whose only experience on the water is in the bath tub, so please don't become impatient if I sound "off the wall", it's just that I'm wondering why it seems no one knew they were going down with enough lead time to send out a distress signal.


38 posted on 02/03/2006 4:48:44 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Bon mots
Gets one thinking ... doesn't it?

Need I mention the little cesspool in New Orleans?

Surely that doesn't make His heart leap for joy either.
39 posted on 02/03/2006 5:30:28 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: libstripper

For a second I thought it read "Kerry sinks...".

I thought it was a good news story. Sorry.


40 posted on 02/03/2006 5:33:20 PM PST by Tall_Texan (The Democrat Party - emboldened by Hamas to combine terrorism with politics.)
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