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Google's founding principles fall at the great firewall of China
The Guardian ^ | January 29, 2006 | John Naughton

Posted on 02/03/2006 1:13:35 PM PST by WaterDragon

The only thing that was surprising about Google's decision to self-censor its China-based service was that people were surprised by it. In the general media coverage, there were many gleeful references to the company's motto - boasted of in the preface to its IPO prospectus - of 'Don't Be Evil' (a phrase which, at the time, caused Wall Street investment bankers to lie down in darkened rooms). How could people who wore those admirable values on their sleeves kowtow to a corrupt, authoritarian regime which tortures dissenters and denies elementary human rights to its unfortunate subjects?

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: censorship; china; firewall; google; greed; principles

1 posted on 02/03/2006 1:13:42 PM PST by WaterDragon
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To: WaterDragon

Any kind of media exposure (other than gov) to the Chinese people is good. The Chinese government is trying to do something imposable and they will fail. Life will find a way, the US cant shut down music swappers and the Chinese will not be able to effectively prohibit free speech on the net. And as there people gain wealth (or at least a large segment) they will want freedom and Google will help censored or not.


2 posted on 02/03/2006 1:25:39 PM PST by Tmoney5437
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To: WaterDragon; Dr. Marten; GOP_1900AD; tallhappy; color_tear; Jeff Head; Travis McGee
It was difficult to decide which was more nauseating - the decision itself or the attempts by the Googlefolk to rationalise it. The argument essayed by co-founder Sergey Brin - essentially that some information is better than none - is simply pathetic. The truth is that when faced with the first really hard moral choice of their young lives, the Google boys copped out.

Just typical.

3 posted on 02/03/2006 1:49:05 PM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: Paul Ross

Liberals.


4 posted on 02/03/2006 1:59:38 PM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Tmoney5437
Life will find a way...the Chinese will not be able to effectively prohobit free speech on the net.

Wrong. Who do you think you are....Dr. Ian Malcolm?


Played by Jeff Goldblum

Anyways, all the prognostications that the Chinese wouldn't make their firewall work have been proven wrong. And a lot of the cockey Chinese hackers who thought as you do are now in Lao Gai prison camps.

5 posted on 02/03/2006 2:01:12 PM PST by Paul Ross (Hitting bullets with bullets successfully for 35 years!)
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To: All

* The Great Wall of China was originally created to keep Chuck Norris out. It failed miserably.


6 posted on 02/03/2006 2:02:49 PM PST by labowski ("The Dude Abideth")
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To: WaterDragon

To all google sponsors,

Do you endorse using Google as an enforcement arm of the Chinese Communist Party?

Please reply.

Your Customers.


7 posted on 02/03/2006 2:18:42 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: WaterDragon
It was difficult to decide which was more nauseating - the decision itself or the attempts by the Googlefolk to rationalise it. The argument essayed by co-founder Sergey Brin - essentially that some information is better than none - is simply pathetic.

What's more pathetic is dismissing your opponent's argument without refuting it. Google.com is often unavailable in China, Google.cn let's its users know when their results are being censored, and having information that would otherwise be unavailable is a boon to the Chinese people. Why is this so hard to understand?

8 posted on 02/03/2006 2:54:25 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: labowski

Chuck Norris does not hunt because the word hunting implies
the probability of failure. Chuck Norris goes killing.


9 posted on 02/03/2006 2:55:30 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: Paul Ross
I really think this whole thing is being over-blown. There's discussion going on over here at Simon World on the issue.

10 posted on 02/03/2006 5:40:36 PM PST by Dr. Marten ((http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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To: Paul Ross
The new improved Google Search Results
11 posted on 02/03/2006 5:42:51 PM PST by Dr. Marten ((http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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To: JTN
Google.cn let's its users know when their results are being censored, and having information that would otherwise be unavailable is a boon to the Chinese people.

Not necessarily. Searching for "Tiannamen" and having pages of government lies come back is worse than having the search blocked altogether.

12 posted on 02/03/2006 5:50:17 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (Chloe rocks)
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To: ThinkDifferent
Not necessarily. Searching for "Tiannamen" and having pages of government lies come back is worse than having the search blocked altogether.

But, again, Google.cn let's its users know that their results are being censored. If they want uncensored results, they can then switch over to Google.com and get them.

13 posted on 02/03/2006 5:54:06 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: JTN

You're wasting your time.


14 posted on 02/03/2006 8:08:49 PM PST by Dr. Marten ((http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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To: Dr. Marten

I agree this story is overblown, as long as acess is allowed to google.com. Now if China starts redirecting traffic from China to the google.cn site, well google will have to eat their words.

The best bet is to force any internet service which restrics traffic to prevent dissent in another country to deal with a loss of income in this country (their primary market). The most powerful economic tool of the 20th century, while illegal, is secondary boycotts.


15 posted on 02/03/2006 11:51:14 PM PST by Brellium
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To: WaterDragon

Now it's just "don't be eviler than our competition."


16 posted on 02/03/2006 11:53:03 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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