Columbus Man Accused Of Bridge Plot Seeks Evidence Of NSA Spying

NBC 4 Columbus ^ | February 3, 2006

[RSmithOpt]

Why don't the government just get the man a camel to abuse and settle it? In the middle of July in Death walley with 1 quart of water and no shoes?

[RSmithOpt]

walley=Valley ooopps!! fumbly fingers strike again --- spell check is my friend....

[GovernmentShrinker]

This is exactly why we need domestic surveillance.

[GovernmentShrinker]

Surveillance does not force law-abiding citizens to modify their behavior to accommodate criminals, and may be effective in reducing the need for the types of security measures which do.

[generally]

An excellent point. Too bad it's lost on all the left-wing extremists.

I'm all in favor of privacy, but we need to use some common sense. If the lefties would stop defending the criminals, we'd have very little need for surveillance, since the criminals would be in jail or deported.

[barj]

Boy, am I going to draw fire for this:

Illegally gotten evidence (if that is what it is, and the court will decide based on the evidence and the letter of the constitution), is inadmissable.

The argument that if you are doing nothing wrong, you have no fear of surveilliance is not the point. If this is so, why object to gun registration? Firearm finger printing? IDing and registering everything? National ID cards? To search, in any method, they need a warrant. If they violated this BASIC principal, that evidence cannot be used. That does not necessarily mean this guy walks, but if it came down to this guy walking or me/us living under the chains of constant surveilliance, this guy should walk.

[Just mythoughts]

"Faris pleaded guilty in 2003 to conspiracy and aiding and abetting terrorism, and was sentenced to 20 years in prison. Prosecutors cited incriminating statements he made under questioning by federal agents. "


Not as though there is any question about guilt or innocence. These liberals are pushing this protection of national security out of the bounds of mental wellness.

[El Gato]

I think this is just the first of many more challenges to come.

Bring 'em on. The makeup of the Supreme Court has changed recently in the direction of sanity and enforcing the Constitution as written, rather than what they want it to say.

[brothers4thID]

The article says the government used evidence from another call to start its investigation of him. No where does the article- and one hopes the article accurately reflects the suit- allege that the convicted man was tried and found guilty on the basis of the phone calls. Unless a warantless call was used to find him guilty I don't see how he has legal standing.

[SueRae]

Bang! (the sound of the Hammer striking the nail)

Amazing set of rules in place. But if he had succeeded, no doubt it would have been a failure of the Bush adminsitration to protect us.

Hypocracy knows no bounds.

[Alberta's Child]

Faris pleaded guilty in 2003 to conspiracy and aiding and abetting terrorism, and was sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Think about the idiocy of this appeal. He already pleaded guilty to the crime while knowing exactly how the evidence against him had been obtained, and now he wants to have his "conviction" (i.e., guilty plea) thrown out.

This is probably why the appeal includes an "incompetent counsel" element as well -- because on its face the appeal is ludicrous.

[Alberta's Child]

See #31. He's not appealing a conviction -- he's appealing his own freakin' guilty plea.

[george wythe]

So, this proves that the spying actually IS WORKING!!!

Excellent point. The more I learn about who effective this eavesdropping has been, the more I tend to support it.

If al-Qaida is calling Americans, I want to know what it's being discussed. My children's life and my own life are at risk from these terrorists, and I'm glad someone is keeping track of their evil plans.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

Unless a warrantless call was used to find him guilty I don't see how he has legal standing.

I don't think the purpose of the appeal is concerned with this case at all. It is just the wedge used to pry into information for a broader purpose, to seek to uncover classified information and to destroy the weapons we use against terrorists and other miscreants.

[DeaconRed]

"He looks just like Freddie Fender - always wondered what happened to him !!!!!

You didn't hear?
Freddy got caught trying to blow up the Brooklyn Bridge! ! ! ! !

[MortMan]

Is that you, Dilbert? ;-P