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Scientists Force Evolution in the Lab
Fox News ^ | Thursday, February 02, 2006 | Robert Roy Britt

Posted on 02/02/2006 1:41:05 PM PST by PissAndVinegar

Scientists have forced a little evolution in the laboratory, controlling whether a caterpillar becomes green or black.

The color of the critter was made to vary with temperature during its development. The experiment reveals the basic hormonal mechanism underlying the evolution of such dual traits, the researchers report in the Feb. 3 issue of the journal Science.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crevolist; evolist; evolution
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1 posted on 02/02/2006 1:41:05 PM PST by PissAndVinegar
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To: PatrickHenry

Ping


2 posted on 02/02/2006 1:42:15 PM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: PissAndVinegar

Congrats--now the "scientists" can do what farmers have done for thousands of years--select out for type.


3 posted on 02/02/2006 1:42:36 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: PissAndVinegar

They have been "forcing" it in the classroom for decades.


4 posted on 02/02/2006 1:43:51 PM PST by UseYourHead
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To: Sofa King

But it's still a caterpillar! LOL


5 posted on 02/02/2006 1:46:50 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: PissAndVinegar

Yep, this proves it, the wonders of the human mind and soul developed from primordial sludge.


6 posted on 02/02/2006 1:46:54 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: PissAndVinegar
my wife has been changing her color for years... what else is new...

Color change doesn't prove evolution...Now forcing a catapillar to change into a gecko...that might..

7 posted on 02/02/2006 1:47:12 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (13th AF, 3rd TFW, 3rd AGS, 3rd AMU - ESC The Blue Screw will get you too! 86-89)
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To: PissAndVinegar

And in a few generations, there will be caterpillars claiming there were no scientists.


8 posted on 02/02/2006 1:47:56 PM PST by Lekker 1 ("Computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes..." - Popular Mechanics, March 1949)
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To: PissAndVinegar

What idiot wrote this??? This is NOT evolution, it's just nature. Crocodiles end up either male or female depending on the temperature of the nest. Interesting, but not spectacular.


9 posted on 02/02/2006 1:48:08 PM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: PissAndVinegar

hmm....so if I have a group of green and black catepillars, and breed them in such a way that only black catepillars come out, this is evolution?

Of course, once the forced control of breeding stops, you go back to green and black catepillars again.



*Gasp* My worldview is skewed beyond belief! My deep-rooted belief in the logical concept of ID is now shattered by the mind-blowingly unique discovery, that has nothing to do with that stupid moth on British trees.

</sarcasm>


10 posted on 02/02/2006 1:50:16 PM PST by Kidan (Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: PissAndVinegar

If evolution is a genetic alteration, then I don't think this qualifies as evolving.


11 posted on 02/02/2006 1:51:53 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: PissAndVinegar
From the article:

Similar differences show up in genetically identical ants, which can develop into queens, soldiers or workers based on the hormones they're exposed to early in development.

Maybe I'm missing something, but if they're genetically identical then they're still ants and haven't evolved into anything at all.

12 posted on 02/02/2006 1:52:24 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Sofa King

Not much of a breakthrough, but it's a slow day so I'll crank up the ping machine.


13 posted on 02/02/2006 1:52:45 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PissAndVinegar
Completely misleading headline, and that's the problem. Darwinists love the confusion in semantics to rpomote their cause. This article describes "forced" variation only-- it's still a catepillar, resonding with the variability to adapt to its environment that is inherent in most life forms. A finch is still a finch, a moth still a moth, etc. Some call this adpatability "microevolution", which is an unfortunate term, imo. No one denies that occurs.

What rational people do deny, is that this inherent limited variation, which is observed, and somehow proves a grandiose scheme for "macrorevolution" by which new, higher life forms are accidently created again and again. Such "evolution" has never been observed, not even in the lab, not even in scores of thousands of generations of fruit flies, for example.

14 posted on 02/02/2006 1:53:43 PM PST by mikeus_maximus (Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still evil.)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
Evolution Ping

The List-O-Links
A conservative, pro-evolution science list, now with over 340 names.
See the list's explanation, then FReepmail to be added or dropped.
To assist beginners: But it's "just a theory", Evo-Troll's Toolkit,
and How to argue against a scientific theory.

15 posted on 02/02/2006 1:54:06 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Clock King

I think you ideitified the real question at hand:

Is adapting to your environment considered evolution?

Did Caucasians 'evolve' to be light skinned since they weren't wandering around the desert?

Did (many) Asian 'evolve' to be lactose intolerant because they don't eat dairy products?

Or did they just adapt?

Does adaptation equal evolution?


16 posted on 02/02/2006 1:54:46 PM PST by PissAndVinegar
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Color change doesn't prove evolution

No one is claiming that anything has been "proven". Absolutely nothing in science is "proven".
17 posted on 02/02/2006 1:55:03 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: PissAndVinegar
I found the crux of the evolution claim:
Suzuki and biology professor Frederik Nijhout worked with black mutants of the normally green M. sexta. The mutants have a lower level of a key hormone.

The scientists subjected the black mutants to temperatures above 83 degrees Fahrenheit, and, over a few generations, two types developed. One group turned green and the other didn't.


18 posted on 02/02/2006 1:57:07 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: dinoparty
But can a catterpillar write a sonnet?

A more interesting story would be what three thousand years of selecting out for type(s) has done to the silkworm moth--bombyx mori. It is now flightless, helpless, and essentially cannot survive outside the "farm," or "zoo," as it were. There were three thousand years of a "laboratory" that had conditions excellent and conducive for the emergence of a new species--and none emerged. But you could argue that the bombyx mori is now virtually extinct.

19 posted on 02/02/2006 1:57:57 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Dimensio

So your beef would be with the headline writer?


20 posted on 02/02/2006 1:58:55 PM PST by Mamzelle
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