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Citywide Effort Needed To Curb Gang Violence (San Francisco)
BeyondChron ^ | Jan. 31‚ 2006 | Rita Mandelenis

Posted on 02/01/2006 7:42:27 AM PST by walkerk

In order to curb youth violence, the city of San Francisco has teamed up with UCSF to develop a violence prevention strategy. Dr. Howard Pinderhughes will be spearheading the project to create both short term and long-term goals. During the Committee on Ending Gun and Gang Violence special meeting on Monday January 30, Dr. Pinderhughes estimated that in six to eight months a plan would be in place.

The plan should encompass strategies for different areas of the city. They will map risk factors for each neighborhood. Dr. Pinderhughes will also lead an evaluation of various city agencies to see which is most effective. “We need to close the data gaps between agencies,” said Dr. Pinderhughes. “We need to take an inventory and see where money is spent successfully.”

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“We are working hard to change the perception of San Francisco as a safe haven for criminals,” said District Attorney Harris. “We don’t want people coming here to engage in criminal activity.”

(Excerpt) Read more at beyondchron.org ...


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1 posted on 02/01/2006 7:42:29 AM PST by walkerk
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To: walkerk

Another FAKE LIEberal UTOPIA exposed.


2 posted on 02/01/2006 7:45:24 AM PST by funkywbr
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To: walkerk

If the gang violence is primarily killing each other, that could be a GOOD thing!


3 posted on 02/01/2006 7:49:11 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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I just read in the Sacbee that the mayor of San Fran has proposed a completely free universal health care for everyone one in San Fran.

This should take care of the problem.


4 posted on 02/01/2006 7:50:45 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: walkerk

But but just can't be,, thats the city of love.


6 posted on 02/01/2006 7:59:43 AM PST by Steveone (Liberalism is a brain tumor!)
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To: walkerk

Why don't they try banning guns?

That would stop the violence cold, right?


7 posted on 02/01/2006 8:01:23 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com ( You'll love Laffey! http://www.electlaffey.com Chafeehas2go)
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To: walkerk
Dr. Howard Pinderhughes will be spearheading the project to create both short term and long-term goals. During the Committee on Ending Gun and Gang Violence special meeting on Monday January 30, Dr. Pinderhughes estimated that in six to eight months a plan would be in place.

And he's going to need some government money to study and implement it.

8 posted on 02/01/2006 8:02:26 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: walkerk

Would "Shoot the Little Fockers" be the next sequel to those Ben Stiller movies?


9 posted on 02/01/2006 8:03:15 AM PST by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: walkerk
San Francisco Gangs:


10 posted on 02/01/2006 8:04:58 AM PST by Clemenza
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To: walkerk
The gangs are African-American, Chinese and Hispanic.

*The Chinese are the smallest group (in number, lol) and stay, almost to the one, within their racial group. They murder, rob, extort, gamble, pander, prostitute, sell drugs, etc., within their own community, venturing into other Oriental groups occasionally.
The other Oriental groups are even smaller but exist mostly in the 'burbs.

*The African-American gangs are shrinking, as the African-American population shrinks. Before WWII the city has about 3 black families. After WWII the 5000 African-American families brought in to work the Hunter's Point Naval Shipyard stayed and flourished until 18% of the city was African-American (1979).
Said population is now down below 8%. Those original families have gotten old and their homes are being sold by their kids. Those kids can't afford to stay in the city, so they sell and move on, move out. The gang numbers have shrunk too, but sometimes the Oakland (over 50% African-American) gangs visit the city and all heck breaks loose.

*The Hispanic gangs have increased in number and ethnic diversity. We used to have mainly Mexican gangs...no more. Lots of other Latino gangs have appeared. The notorious M13(?) has even crawled out from under its L.A. rock and moved north (probably to be closer to their friends in San Quentin, which, by the way, is in loverly, Sierra Club home, fancy-schmancy Marin Country. Harhar, Beamer Country.)

It's all about drugs, but also, in a minor way, about extortion, prostitution, pimping, robbery, burglary and just plain angry, poor, mean, stupid, fatherless, dyfunctional, uneducated, untrained, hopeless young men....and the equally (Repeat adjectives.) women in their lives.
Please, Libertarians, spare me the standard lecture rant about how legalizing drugs will make the drug problemo disappear. That happens only in NeverNeverLand, over the rainbow in dreamland.

There are only 750,000 people in the city; it's a small city and the numbers of gang members is really small compared to, say, Los Angeles.

But, since all the gang members are minorities, there is a HUGE effort to get this problem off the front pages. It's downright embarrassing to the minority advocates. After two generations of liberal, money-solves-everything-strategy, gang membership, percentage-wise, is the same.

Imagine that. Thugs still insist on being thugs. Broken homes, fatherless young men, drugs, single motherhood by minor-age teens, prostitution, promiscuity, HIV/AIDS, sky-high drop-out rate....JUST like it was 20, 40, 60, etc., years ago among some people.

Whites, er, I mean, non-minorities, simply aren't appearing in gangs. They aren't ALL rich or middle class. We even have poor, struggling, blue-collar, entry-level education whites, er, I mean, non-minorities, in the city who DON'T become gang members, drug addicts, prostitutes, pimps, single mothers, HIV/AIDS infected and/or high school drop-outs.
Can you IMAGINE!?!?
If you want to see the down and out drunks and drug addicts in this, you need only look on the street. They are almost all white, er, I mean non-minority. The homeless shelters are comprised of and run by minorites. There are very, very few women and children there. THEY get first dibs at real housing (as they should). White, er, I mean non-minority men are simply not welcome in the homeless shelters. Yes, I have seen it with my work with St. Vincent de Paul, which runs all but one of the shelters. There ARE pockets of minority drunks/addicts but that is only because they refuse to sober up/get off drugs even for the time it would take to get into a shelter, where they can then take drugs and get drunk. [Needless to say, I stopped working for St. Vincent de Paul because there was total denial about what was CLEARLY obvious racism in the shelters. One only had to open one's eyes to see who was IN the shelters and who was NOT. Sad.]

Now why, oh why, is this racial/ethnic figure so skewed? It has the non-profits, minority advocates and such, in a real tizzy.
Free, unlimited housing, education, welfare, scholarships, grants, counseling, detox, rehab, child care, before/after-school programs, weekend camps, summer schools/camps have been available to ALL minorities for decades, but things simply won't change!!! Zillions and zillions of donated and tax dollars have been spent on these problem folks, with bond after bond after bond being proposed, voted on and spent on said problems....but what to do, oh, what to do? The problems just won't go away.
Obviously it's racism on the part of the whites, er, I mean, non-minorites, and they are evil, mean-spirited, right-wing-fanatic-GOP-Bush-Halliburton-lovers and racist, but HOW to solve it? It just won't go away.

Thank you for the graphic, Fintan.

11 posted on 02/01/2006 8:25:11 AM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: edcoil
I just read in the Sacbee that the mayor of San Fran has proposed a completely free universal health care for everyone one in San Fran.
This should take care of the problem.

Well, by GUM, if the the Sacka-ka says it, it MUST be true. They write the worst about the city so their city looks better. Lol. They are having beaucoup growth and illegals problemos, along with the standard and perfectly natural political problems that come with having so many politicians living/visiting our fair capitol.

No universal health coverage in the city has been proposed by anyone "higher" than a rag editorialist. And s/he would be the bottom of the barrel in matters of truth.

12 posted on 02/01/2006 8:35:54 AM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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Maybe you should read the Mayor's comments and proposal before saying he did not say that.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2006/02/01/news/20060201_ne02_mayor.txt


13 posted on 02/01/2006 8:44:59 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: starfish923

Frisco is basically engaging in a game of window dressing, realising that gang violence and values are the centerpost of the entire "rap" music scene, a scene that functions as a cultural guidance counselor for inner and outer city youth, skaters, white bread suburbanite teenies, "relevant" upscale cultural mavens, and black and chicano youth demographics in general, but that it also doesn't play well on the 6 o'clock.

Keep in mind that the LA Crips began much as the Black Panthers, as a trotskyite initiative, the Bloods being an FBI COINTELPRO counterweight to the Crips and the CIA's Air America spreading Golden Triangle skank across the canvas to keep the whole mess manageable.

Rap culture helps keep separatist minority rage at the simmer level, ready for deployment at the drop of an incident. It is also an inchoate vehicle for the creation and maintenance of drug markets, ref. above- low intensity cultural warfare and counterwarfare.

Walter

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14 posted on 02/01/2006 8:59:23 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui (Gangs as Progressive Social Imperative)
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To: walkerk

We need to get our troops out of that quagmire. It's obvious that San Fran isn't ready for Democracy.


15 posted on 02/01/2006 9:00:08 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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Thanks for the information. I MISSED this but humbly apologize for my error...and to the Sacbee. Though they somehow missed telling the facts that even they would know. Oh well, I don't blame them for the chance at making Mayor Know-Nothing Newsome look stupid, again.

Every San Franciscan without health insurance could see a regular doctor, get prescription drugs and have advanced medical procedures under a skeleton plan unveiled by Mayor Gavin Newsom on Tuesday.
The universal health care access plan is not traditional health insurance, but would allow some 85,000 to 150,000 uninsured city residents to receive a defined set of routine health care benefits through an as-yet-undetermined fee paid for by the patient, employers and the city government.

The "universal" wouldn't be, of course, UNIVERSAL, since it wouldn't include me, or the OTHER 700,000 citizens who DO have health care.

It wouldn't be UNIVERSAL, either, for those who already have the UNIVERSAL health care that welfare provides: ALL medical (even infertility problems), ALL prescriptions, ALL psychiatric (and that's a biggie), ALL dental, ALL emergencies (done at very posh hospitals, in fact, not merely at the S. F. General Hospital, which, btw, leads the country in many aspects of health care...you guessed it, HIV/AIDS treatment) and ALL short-long-medium care problems.

The question is for our moron mayor -- Who needs universal health coverage besides the drunks and drug addicts who WON'T use the health coverage unless they PASS OUT on the street? His numbers are totally wrong. Even the nonprofits and homeless advocates cite smaller numbers. Wow, he's jackin' the stats. What a SHOCK.
Hmmmm.

But the Sacbee was correct, "universal" health coverage WAS proposed.
What a moron is our mayor. He KNOWS the facts, he's just jacking up the VOTER-stupids in the city who don't know the facts.

16 posted on 02/01/2006 9:01:06 AM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: walkerk

What we need is "Rap" control.


17 posted on 02/01/2006 9:14:19 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui
Frisco is basically engaging in a game of window dressing, realising that gang violence and values are the centerpost of the entire "rap" music scene, a scene that functions as a cultural guidance counselor for inner and outer city youth, skaters, white bread suburbanite teenies, "relevant" upscale cultural mavens, and black and chicano youth demographics in general, but that it also doesn't play well on the 6 o'clock.
Keep in mind that the LA Crips began much as the Black Panthers, as a trotskyite initiative, the Bloods being an FBI COINTELPRO counterweight to the Crips and the CIA's Air America spreading Golden Triangle skank across the canvas to keep the whole mess manageable.
Rap culture helps keep separatist minority rage at the simmer level, ready for deployment at the drop of an incident. It is also an inchoate vehicle for the creation and maintenance of drug markets, ref. above- low intensity cultural warfare and counterwarfare.
Walter

No argument from me.

Remember, San Francisco has ONLY 750,000 people; that's is really small when compared to New York, L.A., Chicago, Detroit, etc. The gangland scene IS really small. We are talking about DOZENS of young men TOTAL in these gangs, not hundreds or thousands. The cops know almost all of the local gang members because their numbers are so small.

18 posted on 02/01/2006 9:16:06 AM PST by starfish923 (Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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"85,000 to 150,000" X $75 a patient per month.

Most gov numbers are rounded low, we know over time they tend to be only 10% of the actual costs.

Even with the numbers they at 150,000 x 75 = 11,250,000 x 12 months is over a Billion dollars a year so a small group on a cities budget.


19 posted on 02/01/2006 9:27:09 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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Ammiano’s plan, which has drawn fire from businesses and the mayor, would require employers with 20 or more employees to provide health benefits to employees who work 80 or more hours a month. The proposal would cost about $375 a month per employee.

Oh, this is so going to encourage business to establish -- or stay -- in SF (not)!

20 posted on 02/01/2006 9:40:05 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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