Posted on 02/01/2006 7:29:10 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida
Ping to post #300 for the transcript of the Schiavo interview shown last night on MSNBC.
This is not exact science. Terri was neither "clinically dead" nor "just...disabled." The term "severely brain damaged" would fit as well as any.
Hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy sounds like what would happen if you applied a choke hold to the carotid arteries of a healthy 26-year-old woman. She would then "collapse" from "cardiac arrest" from "potassium deficiency" from "dietary imbalance" caused by excessive "bulimia," right?
That's priceless, Hildy! I don't know what I'm talking about?! Are you coming unglued or something?
Before I answer your question, I would like to inform you that I've seen you ask posters on other threads really bizarre personal questions, like whether they are single or married, if they have ever had any experience with something or another. You insinuate that the other poster is daft, because their experience is different from your own. Here's news for you, Hildy. Everyone has different life experiences that shape who they are as a person and the choices they make. We are each different, and to think that one form of experience is *better* than another is untrue. The experiences are simply different.
So here's the answer to your very inappropriate personal question of me: YES! YES! Yes, I have watched people die! More than once. They are very private personal matters to me, as I'm sure they are to anybody who witnesses the death process.
Hey, just to float your boat, I've also witnessed animals in the throes of the death process, too. Whether it is a person dying or an animal dying, it is a heart-wrenching experience, where I wanted to do everything I could to comfort the person/animal I was with. Giving comfort to the dying is something any compassionate person would do.
So inquiring minds want to know, Hildy. WTH do my life experiences have to do with this? I don't know if all cases of people dying are the same, I would expect not. The people that I watched die, that I was with, and cared for, for days as they died, YES, those people thirsted for water, ached for pain relief, begged for comfort, and yearned for love. And they got it, whenever they wanted it, from me or those who were with me attending to their needs.
Are you satisfied with what I know, Hildy? Try telling me again that I don't know what I'm talking about! I would love to have a simple apology from you on this point alone, Hildy. I promise not to taunt you with it if you ever can say you were wrong this time. And since you questioned me publicly, a private apology will not do.
From your link, T'wit:
Harvard Ad Hoc Committee on Brain Death In 1968, this committee of the Harvard Medical School published a report describing the following characteristics of a permanently nonfunctioning brain, a condition it referred to as "irreversible coma," now known as brain death:
1. Unreceptivity and unresponsitivity
2. --patient shows total unawareness to external stimuli and unresponsiveness to painful stimuli; No movements or breathing
3. --all spontaneous muscular movement, spontaneous respiration and response to stimuli are absent; No reflexes
--fixed, dilated pupils; lack of eye movement even when hit or turned, or ice water is placed in the ear; lack of response to noxious stimuli; unelicitable tendon reflexes.
In addition to these criteria, a flat electroencephalogram (EEG) was recommended. The committee also noted that drug intoxication and hypothermia which can both cause reversible loss of brain functions should be excluded as causes. The report was used in determining patient care issues and organ transplants. The condition of irreversible coma, i.e., brain death, needs to be distinguished from the persistent vegetative state, in which clinical presentations are similar but in which patients manifest cycles of sleep and wakefulness. [See Presidents Commission for the Study of Ethical Problems in Medicine and Biomedical and Behavioral Research, Defining Death (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1981)].
Everyone used Terri BUT Michael. /sarcasm
An all expense paid trip from Michael (who now because of Terri, is a wealthy man) for ten, LOL! And most people take 8 other people with them on their honeymoon. How romantic.
NO, Michael didn't use Terri.
If Terri were brain dead, she would have required a heart and lung machine. She would not have been able to breathe on her own.
Thanks for the ping!
bttt for Haleigh.
Terri was alert and aware. That's why judge greer let Michael Schiavo hide her for years. They didn't want the world to know that Terri was breathing on her own and could follow instructions. She laughed, she cried but because of her lack of inalienable rights, she was murdered by the starvation state of Florida.
I know Terri did not have cerebral palsy but the way she behaved (especially the tilt of her head and the way she held her mouth and the manner in which she attempted to talk) reminded me of a person with very severe CP.
**Why is Social Services threatening the biological mother if she speaks publicly about Haleigh? Because Haleigh is improving at a good pace? Disgusting...**
Yes, indeed, SpottedOwl. It's very disgusting. Seems they playing by the same rule book that Schiavo used when he kept Terri as a prisoner. IIRC, Greer also sealed information of abuse from Florida's DSS. The following is also very disgusting:
"DSS, who has custody of Haleigh, two weeks ago received permission from the Supreme Judical Court to remove her from life support. Haleigh was in a vegetative state at Baystate Medical Center in Springfield, but last Thursday was moved to Franciscan Hospital for Children in Brighton because of increasing responsiveness. DSS will say only that Haleigh is medically stable at Franciscan."
They impounded her medical records, raising incredible questions about what DSS knew and when they knew it, Murphy said. They put a clamp on my client.
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=124115
From the first article's quoted paragraph above - notice they are still using the very disgusting termonology of *vegetative state*, even though the DSS admits Haleigh was able to understand commands to pick up a toy. Unbelievable. I'm glad Wendy Murphy is representing the birth mom. She seems to be a great advocate for the abused. Haleigh definately needs someone on her side.
Unfortunately Wendy is up against a very well funded and organized bunch of ghouls. I hope and pray she has the strenght to fight the evil from the pit, who will most likely come out against her and Haleigh.
The autopsy also confimed that she had not suffered a general anoxic insult. No heart attack. No anoxic organ damage below her neck. Liver, heart, etc. all in good shape. All this was known too while she was alive, and it rules a bulimic episode -- never a serious possibility.
One gets a picture. Blood to her brain through the carotid arteries was cut off somehow, resulting in her brain damage. There is only one suspect. He was never investigated.
Where the hell is Columbo?
Your tag line. Oh, now I cy. Cool.
**SCHIAVO: Yes, it will be. You know something? Terri was a beautiful woman. And shell always be with me. [Michael sheds his fake crocodile tears at this point] **
Schiavo has no right to even talk about Terri. How dare he say she will always be with him. What he did to Terri and her family was totally evil. I wouldn't be surprised if he is having nightmares about what he did to her. That's the only way she would be anywhere near him - in his nightmares, as he recalls the horror he put her through.
You're so right about Olbermann. He feel all over himself, while using Schiavo as a tool to bash Republicans.
"Haleigh Poutres biological mother had a very emotional visit with her brain-damaged daughter this week, but is barred from telling anyone whether the girl moved, smiled or just lay still, her attorney said yesterday."
This reminds me of when Terri's family could not go public, if they wanted to see her.
If Terri's parents showed videos that they had of Terri, they would not have been allowed to visit her as evidenced in letter from following link.
http://www.cnsnews.com/pdf/2003/bushnell.pdf
What happened to freedom of speech?
This might be a lifesaver if you can remember the following advice, sent by a nurse, whose husband is a medical doctor.
Sometimes symptoms of a stroke are difficult to identify. A stroke victim may suffer permanent brain damage when people fail to recognize what's happening. Now, doctors say any bystander can recognize a stroke, simply by asking three questions:
1. ask the individual to smile.
2. ask him or her to raise both arms.
3. ask the person to speak a simple sentence.
If he or she has trouble with any of these tasks, call 911 immediately, and describe the symptoms to the dispatcher. Researchers are urging the general public to learn to ask these three questions quickly, to someone they suspect of having a stroke. Widespread use of this test could result in prompt diagnosis and treatment of a stroke, and prevent permanent brain damage.
FYI: Many complaints went out to various organizations and politicians regarding Ted Stith's trafficking from hospital to hospice.
Something's wrong when rehabilitation is no longer offered to a man 73 years young who begged for water but was dehydrated to death instead.
I hope someone took the complaints seriously. It's justice v. euthanasia, the baby boomers vs. the "unethical" bioethicists. I like it. unethical bioethicists. It so describes the death professors that lurk in the halls of Florida's colleges and universities. They are teaching med students how to kill.
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