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Danger Zone - (Haleigh Poutre)
National Review ^ | February 01, 2006 | Wesley J, Smith

Posted on 02/01/2006 7:29:10 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida

In the court (and courts) of life and death, a little 11-year-old Massachusetts girl named Haleigh Poutre could be the next Terri Schiavo. For those who have not heard the tragic story, Haleigh was beaten nearly to death last September, allegedly by her adoptive mother and stepfather. The beating left her unconscious and barely clinging to life.

Within a week or so of the beating, her doctors had written her off. They apparently told Haleigh's court-appointed guardian, Harry Spence, that she was "virtually brain dead." Even though he had never visited her, Spence quickly went to court seeking permission to remove her respirator and feeding tube. The court agreed, a decision affirmed recently by the supreme court of Massachusetts.

And so, no doubt with the best of intentions, a little girl who had already suffered so much was stripped by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts of even the chance to fight to stay alive. If she didn't stop breathing when the respirator was removed, which doctors expected, she would slowly dehydrate to death.

Close Call

Then came the unexpected:

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: childabuse; dehydratnfla; dontfeedtrolls; euthanasia; flstarvestate; gallagher4guv; haileypoutre; haleighpoutre; justicevseuthanasia; massachusetts; starvnfla; stopflmurders; tedstith; terridailies; terridailiesfeb; terrischiavo; terrischindler; wesleyjsmith
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To: Hildy
By the way, have you ever watched someone die of dehyrdration?

Why do you ask?

181 posted on 02/02/2006 10:13:07 AM PST by syriacus (Congress: Get experts to discuss current standards of medical care for the sickest Americans.)
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To: Hildy
n my opinion, dehydration is better than 10 years like that

BTW, have you ever undergone dehydration and starvation for more than 5 days?

If you have, please tell me about it.

182 posted on 02/02/2006 10:14:34 AM PST by syriacus (Congress: Get experts to discuss current standards of medical care for the sickest Americans.)
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To: BykrBayb
"The video has already disappeared."

MSNBC removed the video quickly! I thought the video would be available all day.

183 posted on 02/02/2006 10:15:55 AM PST by amdgmary
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To: amdgmary
Michael ensured he got the results he wanted in Terri's brain.

What a set up!

184 posted on 02/02/2006 10:16:28 AM PST by syriacus (Congress: Get experts to discuss current standards of medical care for the sickest Americans.)
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To: Hildy

You are most certainly entitled to your opinion. If you see the gift of life as selfish, then so be it. However, I find your idea of selfishness to be absurd.

I am absolutely certain the Schindlers didn't view caring for Terri and loving her as a burden. That should have been obvious to even you, Hildy. If they say it wasn't a burden, then would Terri have been selfish for wanting to live in her condition?

Is an infant selfish for wanting to live?

Is Haleigh selfish for wanting to live?

Is President Ford selfish for wanting to live?

Are tsunami survivors selfish for wanting to live?

Just think for a minute how ridiculous it is to say that someone is selfish for wanting to live, to be kept alive, by being cared for and loved. The desire to be loved and cared for is a basic human need, Hildy, even for you!!

If you are so hip on the idea of being unselfish, then why are you still alive? Why haven't you committed suicide? If you follow your logic, Hildy, then you yourself are being selfish!

For the record, I really don't believe that you're selfish for wanting to be loved and cared about, Hildy. Please don't off yourself. It wouldn't make me feel any better about you. Quite the opposite, actually. I would feel badly if you committed suicide.


185 posted on 02/02/2006 10:17:54 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: syriacus
I'm reading a very interesting book about the Nazi doctors, and their way of thinking. THE NAZI DOCTORS: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide © - Dr. Robert Jay Lifton.

Dr. Lifton interviewed many of the surviving doctors who participated in the Holocaust. It's amazing how ordinary they were, and how much they were like eugenicists in the US today.

They viewed their society as the patient, and disabled people as the disease. Any good doctor would amputate a limb if the patient's life depended on it. As far as they were concerned, that's what they were doing. Amputating the disabled people, so society could be healthy.

There were exceptions made for those who exhibited extraordinary talent. Their lives were spared, but they were not considered fully human.

It wasn't much of a leap to treat the racial health of society. At that time, racism was socially acceptable. It wasn't whispered about and hinted at, as it is now.

There are people today who share many of the views of the Nazi doctors. They believe that society's health would improve if we exterminated the most unhealthy among us. They believe it's selfish for an unhealthy person to want to live. Some of them believe this so strongly, that they will donate their own loved ones to the extermination program. And they honestly don't know why we find that so appalling.

186 posted on 02/02/2006 10:18:34 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

Great post! I especially liked your last paragraph.


187 posted on 02/02/2006 10:24:59 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

To link suicide to this is a bit of a stretch...but good try.


188 posted on 02/02/2006 10:26:45 AM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

This isn't about suicide. It's about bioethics. Volunteering to be bioethicked isn't the same as suicide. It's about murder. Only selfish people refuse to submit to the biothic program.


189 posted on 02/02/2006 10:34:52 AM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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I am in no hurry to see this poor little girl die. I would rather see the step father be put down. I live in the town next door. There is talk among the medical community about her condition--although kept very quiet for fear of HPPA violations and what-not.

The damage done to her was pretty severe. The physical damage precludes any meaningful recovery. Think of a car who's transmission has been disconnected from the engine. The engine still runs, the lights come on. But is is not a functional car.

Do I believe in miracles. Absolutely. Am I advocating removing feeding tubes or water. No.

However, prayer is the only thing that will bring this girl back. It is a shame all around. Death would be too easy for the a-hole that did this to her.


190 posted on 02/02/2006 10:35:53 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: Hildy

I meant to reply to this post earlier, but I got caught up in others, so please forgive me.

If you find that description, I would definitely be interested in reading it. Please ping me when you find it, as I have no idea what post you are referring to (maybe it was on a thread I wasn't following).

There is no need to get in a fight. These are, for the most part, opinions we all have, and discussion can be healthy for us.


191 posted on 02/02/2006 10:36:06 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Hildy

Please explain. I don't find it a stretch at all. I think that viewing someone as selfish because they want to live despite their frailties and disabilities to be utterly absurd.


192 posted on 02/02/2006 10:39:33 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: BykrBayb
THE NAZI DOCTORS: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide © - Dr. Robert Jay Lifton.

Sounds like a good book. I'll try to read it.

193 posted on 02/02/2006 10:46:51 AM PST by syriacus (Congress: Get experts to discuss current standards of medical care for the sickest Americans.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Perhaps with prayer and a great deal of work at the rehab center where she is now, Haleigh will recover somewhat enough to lead a "normal" life. Even if she doesn't recover completely, I think it would be horrible to remove her feeding tube.

I agree that her stepfather needs to be completely put away. Part of me would like to see him be tortured. I cannot understand why people do such cruel things.


194 posted on 02/02/2006 10:47:32 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: Hildy
?Z?����?o?�ople would say they wouldn't want to be kept alive, and you know why?

Maybe they are gullibly listening to the impious generalization that is being kept alive in the media. It goes something like this

People who need much help should get "out of the way" of their more robust fellow humans
Sounds barbaric (no insult meant to barbarians)
195 posted on 02/02/2006 11:00:36 AM PST by syriacus (Congress: Get experts to discuss current standards of medical care for the sickest Americans.)
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To: syriacus

There is a huge difference between disabled and clinically dead...and I'm only talking here about clinically dead no chance of recovery. Do you think people's bodies should be kept alive when their brains are dead, no matter what?


196 posted on 02/02/2006 11:50:35 AM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Hildy

I don't think I'm going out on a limb if I say that YOU are the LAST person who will know when a person's soul is gone.


197 posted on 02/02/2006 11:59:49 AM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: Sun

Very mature response. Thank you.


198 posted on 02/02/2006 12:00:32 PM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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To: Wampus SC

"Yeah, to do what? Tap dance? Do trigonometry? Sing an aria? Win a Nobel Prize? A year to *impress* a hospital employee, or else? People aren't to be treated like dogs that are required to do tricks before the judges or else be killed.

If dogs were treated like that at shows, the judges would be in jail."

EXACTLY. I'll try to find the link and excerpt where I read it and put it in my next post.


199 posted on 02/02/2006 12:02:41 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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To: Hildy

You are quite welcome. Glad I could help. :)


200 posted on 02/02/2006 12:14:58 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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