Posted on 01/31/2006 9:37:58 AM PST by SirLinksalot
This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows. The Jesus trial Posted: January 31, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Joseph Farah
If it wasn't so sad, you'd have to laugh at the Italian trial in which a Catholic priest is being sued by an atheist for deceiving people into thinking Jesus was an actual historical figure.
Of course, there is far more reason to believe Jesus actually walked the face of the Earth than there is to believe Socrates did. We not only have the biblical accounts of His life, but, for those who require them, extra-biblical ones from Roman historians Tacitus and Josephus.
But that really misses the point.
Simon Greenleaf, one of the principal founders of the Harvard Law School, was a skeptic like the Italian atheist. He set out from a scholarly and legal perspective to make a much narrower point disprove Jesus was the Son of God and that He rose from the dead through a careful investigation of the Gospel witnesses.
But he came to the conclusion that the witnesses were reliable, and that the Resurrection actually happened.
"The great truths which the apostles declared, were that Christ had risen from the dead, and that only through repentance from sin, and faith in him, could men hope for salvation," wrote Greenleaf.
Greenleaf explained that the apostles had absolutely no motive for fabrication and every human motive to recant their stories. But they did not.
"It would also have been irreconcilable with the fact that they were good men," Greenleaf continued.
Greenleaf concluded: "Either the men of Galilee were men of superlative wisdom, and extensive knowledge and experience, and of deeper skill in the arts of deception, than any and all others, before or after them, or they have truly stated the astonishing things which they saw and heard."
I agree.
Yet it seems the more learned we supposedly become, the more difficult it is for some to see the Truth.
What do you think? Were the apostles ordinary men who witnessed the extraordinary? Or were they extraordinary men who gave their own lives for the strange purpose of deceiving others?
Joseph Farah is founder, editor and CEO of WND and a nationally syndicated columnist with Creators Syndicate. His latest book is "Taking America Back." He also edits the weekly online intelligence newsletter Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, in which he utilizes his sources developed over 30 years in the news business. |
"The lawsuit has circulated around the Italian courts for years. The judge presiding over the case has tried, on a number of occasions, to dismiss it."
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/usworld/news-article.aspx?storyid=50539
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History of the case on Cascioli's own web site:
http://www.luigicascioli.it/tabella_eng.php
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"Signor Cascioli, author of a book called The Fable of Christ, began legal proceedings against Father Righi three years ago after the priest denounced Signor Cascioli in the parish newsletter for questioning Christs historical existence."
"Yesterday Gaetano Mautone, a judge in Viterbo, set a preliminary hearing for the end of this month and ordered Father Righi to appear. The judge had earlier refused to take up the case, but was overruled last month by the Court of Appeal, which agreed that Signor Cascioli had a reasonable case for his accusation that Father Righi was abusing popular credulity."
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2000 years ago, Jesus was tried in a "court of law", but the court was unjust and Jesus lost.
Little has changed since then, so he's not expected to "win the hearts and minds" of those who have prejudicedly rejected him.
No, you won't "find Jesus" in a "court of law". You'll either or not find him in the heart of a few good men.
Ron Popiel would be toast...
Thanks for the links.
I find it curious that Joseph Smith, Muhammed, David Koresh, etc were all polygamists.
"As for the apostles: what evidence have you of their persecution?"
...come to think of it, they were into child brides as well.
If the apostles lied or were decieved, why do you think this account is accurate?
That's my question to you.
Either the accounts are accurate and honest... or the whole thing is in serious doubt.
>> "As for the apostles: what evidence have you of their persecution?"
> Paul's own testimony is a good start.
Is it. Ah, well.
If they were making it up wouldn't the account be a little "tighter" in regards the "next day" ? Why leave that doubt?
IMHO, it was a mistake for the priest to participate in this case. He should simply have said that proving God's existence is not one of the things to be rendered to Caesar. It is my belief that the events described in the New Testament are true. If the Italian State wishes to punish me for my belief, so be it.
> If they were making it up wouldn't the account be a little "tighter" in regards the "next day" ?
The more important question: if they *weren't* making it up, why would people today insist that it would be impossible to swipe a body that was left unguarded in an easy-to-get-to tomb?
But let's look at it your way: if they were making it up, why the obvious plot hole? Well, consider... there are, I believe, four separate accounts of this (Mat, Mark, Luke, John), and IIRC, only *one* mentions guards.
Perhaps the obvious gaping hole in the story... wasn't so "obviously" a gaping hole in the story back then. Consider that even today there are people who don't pick up on the unguarded-tomb bit. And these are people who, unlike those 1900 years ago, are largely literate and well eduacted. When one considers the fairly large number of "Messiahs" running around at the time (like Apollonius of Tyana), coupled with the virtually complete lack of understanding of science with consequent higher belief levels in superstition/supernatural, it makes sense that a lot of things would have gotten a pass then that would get questioned today.
So they were sloppy but not sloppy enough?
LOL! Try to get a devout Jew to do anything on the Sabbath, let alone steal a dead body.
> Try to get a devout Jew to do anything on the Sabbath, let alone steal a dead body.
Well, they had *two* days to choose from. The guards were assigned the next day... presumably during business hours.
> So they were sloppy but not sloppy enough?
For a definite answer, help me fund my Time Machine project, then I'll go back and find out. Until that comes about, though, I'll have to rely on the meager evidence of biased testimony.
Begging to differ, the *next* day was the day after the body was prepared to be placed into the tomb, and that *next* day was the Jewish Sabbath. The passage says, "Now the next day," and being more specific, "that followed the day of the preparation,"
It would have only given them until the sixth hour of the day preceeding the Sabbath (the day of preparation) or else they would have had to touch and move a dead body on the Jewish Sabbath.
Astutely put - I believe we all are in the same "fix"...;-)
But you are sure it creates a dillema?
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