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To: Fester Chugabrew
who run away from any discussion of intelligent design in a public, academic context.

ROFL!! Yeah, sure, you betcha. You clearly haven't been paying attention.

their lack of any viable alternative to explain the presence of organized matter that performs specific functions,

Gee, really?

Here you go.

See also:

The Origins of Order: Self Organization and Selection in Evolution. By Stuart Kauffman, S. A. (1993) Oxford University Press, NY, ISBN: 0195079515.

Compositional genomes: Prebiotic information transfer in mutually catalytic noncovalent assemblies

Eigen M, and Schuster P, The hypercycle. A principle of natural self-organization. Springer-Verlag, isbn 3-540-09293, 1979

The origin of genetic information: viruses as models

Compositional genomes: prebiotic information transfer in mutually catalytic noncovalent assemblies

Stadler PF, Dynamics of autocatalytic reaction networks. IV: Inhomogeneous replicator networks. Biosystems, 26: 1-19, 1991

Lee DH, Severin K, and Ghadri MR. Autocatalytic networks: the transition from molecular self-replication to molecular ecosystems. Curr Opinion Chem Biol, 1, 491-496, 1997

Lee DH, Severin K, Yokobayashi Y, and Ghadiri MR, Emergence of symbiosis in peptide self-replication through a hypercyclic network. Nature, 390: 591-4, 1997

Apolipoprotein AI Mutations and Information

Creationist Claim CB102: Mutations are random noise; they do not add information.

Multiple Duplications of Yeast Hexose Transport Genes in Response to Selection in a Glucose-Limited Environment

Evolution of biological information

Evolution of biological complexity

Evolution and Information: The Nylon Bug

Examples of Beneficial Mutations and Natural Selection

The evolution of trichromatic color vision by opsin gene duplication in New World and Old World primates

Gene duplications in evolution of archaeal family B DNA polymerases

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This even though science has carried on for hundreds of years with the assumption that intelligent design best explains the presence of organized matter.

...with not a SHRED of positive results supporting that hypothesis. "ID" is the world's oldest dead-end hypothesis. After *centuries* of being on the table, it has racked up ZERO positive evidence in its favor.

And yet, the "IDers" assure us, it'll finally bear fruit "any day now, we swear!", so by gosh, it deserves to be taught in school *today* without any support whatsoever, just like the equally established fields of astrology and crystal auras.

834 posted on 02/02/2006 12:51:51 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
And yet, the "IDers" assure us, it'll finally bear fruit "any day now, we swear!", so by gosh, it deserves to be taught in school *today* without any support whatsoever, just like the equally established fields of astrology and crystal auras.

ID has rights too. All ID wants is an equal opportunity to be heard. Stop the discrimination! Present both theories! Free speech! What are you afraid of? Are you so frightened, is your faith so weak, that you can't allow the other side presented? End the censorship! Teach the controversy! Let the children decide.
</brain dead mode>

837 posted on 02/02/2006 12:58:08 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Ichneumon
It appears your references describe the organization of matter for specific functions but do not bring an alternative to intelligent design into the picture. Not that they have to in order to be reasonable. Not that they have to in order to be scientific. But I would be surprised if any of the resources you link attribute these patterns of self-organization to any particular cause. Otherwise, those reference tend to buttress intelligent design to the extent they denote many specific examples of organized matter.

The above paragraph was written after a brief perusal of the titles you linked. Perhaps you could provide a brief description or label to the entity you believe causes matter to be organized and perform specific functions; some nominal alternative to intelligent design? "Nature?" I can live with that.
846 posted on 02/02/2006 1:15:00 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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