Posted on 01/30/2006 10:27:35 PM PST by Sweetjustusnow
The two scariest words in the English language? Intelligent Design! That phrase tends to produce a nasty rash and night sweats among our elitist class.
Should some impressionable teenager ever hear those words from a public school teacher, we are led to believe, that student may embrace a secular heresy: that some intelligent force or energy, maybe even a god, rather than Darwinian blind chance, has been responsible for the gazillions of magnificently designed life forms that populate our privileged planet.
So, Ichy is your sister Brunhilde?
Sounds like the "science" that explains how a big bang happened.
BWAHAAHAHA!
So your point is, that in one post, in a thread in which I did not participate, you posted an article with a misdirected citation which, if we'd actually figured out which reference number was the correct one, would have led us to a quoation from Alan Feduccia, which does not actually support the point the article was making - a point Feduccia vehemently disagrees with - but is misrepesented as if it did. And then in a second post you cited the same words, but this time without attribution, and repeated a lying implication that Feduccia disputed that Archaeopteryx is a transitional form. And I quote
(my words)No sane palaeontologist disputes that Archaeopteryx is an intermediate form
You are predisposed to assume Dr. Gish is lying, because you are predisposed to oppose Creationism in any form. You show your bias even as you type, to the ruin of your credibility as unprejudiced.
As for Archaeopteryx, and your absurd assertion that only insane scientists dispute the find, perhaps you would like to face University of North Carolina’s evolutionist and bird expert Alan Feduccia who stated: ”Paleontologists have tried to turn Archaeopteryx into an earth-bound, feathered dinosaur. But it’s not. It is a bird, a perching bird. And no amount of “paleobabble” is going to change that.”
So evidently, to find page numbers, I should have search through your entire posting output, found a case where you'd used the quote previously, found the miscited reference, figured out which reference was the correct citation, and used that.
Your sheer chutzpah is breathtaking. And I stand by my previous analysis of your character and intellect; in fact, perhaps it was too kind!
And then, to finish off, you made a pathetic attempt to try to have me zotted.
Well, you managed to slither away from every point with your usual vitriol and insults. If anyone disagrees with your position you assume that they are desparate and ignorant and liars and that apparently includes many of your fellow travelers. I see that you have that horse going from the simple to complex by losing his toes. Good luck. Some of us have work to do.
Creationist Idealogues on the Run Placemarker.
[sarcasm] It's not that the the fellers in Iran or the like might possibly make that a true statement in a few years to come[/sarcasm]..
Just playing devil's advocate.
If you were the devil's advocate, he'd be on death row.
LOL, No seriously, couldn't it also be argued that technology may be the premature death of us all as well-from a forensic point of view?
In case you don't know it Thor never appeared in Wagner.
For describing details of the physical world, the bible is useless. For describing people's morality, physics is useless. I would not use my physics textbook to tell me how to behave, and I wouldn't use my bible to tell me about ressesive genes and stratigraphic sequences. Each book has it's place.
It's fine to praise the bible, but it has it's limits of usefulness.
Indeed. The genie won't go back in the bottle. Myself, I'll choose the path of knowledge rather than the path of ignorance. 300 years ago nearly all of us would have been peasants, scratching an existence. Women died of endless childbirth and unremitting drudgery. Men died of overwork. Everyone but a few aristos and a relatively tiny middle-class had a life that was nasty, brutish, and short (a bit like sex for non-Christians, apparently according to gobucks). The acquisition of technology may turn out to be an extinction inducing event if we don't keep the lid on situations like Iran, but due to the spread of technology across the more fortunate parts of the globe billions now live in ease and entertainment that Solomon would have had difficulty imagining.
Please pay attention to what is actually being said, and not what you presume someone might be talking about.
Sorry. I'll just go lockstep with what you communicate since you fancy yourself as the great arbiter in the ivory tower.
Again, you are on an entirely different subject than the one the poster you have misread was talking about.
Yeah, I shifted gears a little and talked about the periphery. It was a bit of a theme-so sue me.
No. Why would you ask such a strange question?
I asked the question about the scientific method being a holy sacrament because I perceived (you may be too much of a machine to have perceptions ;p)that there are those who are so sterile they filter everything in their lives and thoughts through Darwin 24/7. Guess some of that is anecdotal from college.
You are entitled to your misguided and incorrect opinion.
How's the air up there?
You have a very bizarre, distorted, false, and needlessly insulting view of us. Why don't you tone down the nonsense and try to discuss something we've *actually* said, a position we *actually* hold, or something we've *actually* done?
I don't mean to. And I'm just being a litlle irreverant here and there too. I mean, just tell me if you guys actually have proprietary rights on these threads or something....I actually love science-as far as it can be explained to a speech major. And I have learned a bit from these as well.
'd like to see you try to document, say, three examples of what you describe. And no, it *won't* count if the person being "made fun of" was first obnoxious, condescending, belligerent, arrogant, dismissive, belittling, or somesuch themselves (including earlier offenses -- some of the exchanges are due to prior history). Those people get what they deserve.
In order to count, you'll have to find examples of someone actually getting made fun of *merely* for a) "seeking some answers outside the scope of natural selection about a possible meaning for life", or b) "inducts the possiblity we don't really know jack about how all of this started". Go for it. Or ponder retracting your accusation if you can't substantiate it after all.
This threads too damn long to do that, man! And I left my science bingo scorecard at home. I'll concede I guess or retract or whatever if it will make you feel better. But I do think you were kind of snide to that friendinvictoria? poster on 757 I think-callng him/her vapid,etc; and they were not provocative at all.. I believe on another post or two as well. Anyway, I am glad Bush has this initiative for 70K science teachers. The last panel of the cartoon you posted was indeed poignant.
Well, Elmer Fudd then!
Point taken as I am reclining in the air-conditioning in central Florida.
You can't predict the weather more than a couple days in advance, nor the stock market. Same with any complex system.
You can't predict the long term behavior of any complex, creative phenomenon.
But you are correct that there are plenty of Monday morning quarterbacks. What evolution describes is not the future, but the process.
I'm curious what you think an ID "win" would look like. What, exactly, does that mean? Does it mean that you have discovered the identity of the designer? Does it mean you have discovered the process by which irreducible components are produced? Does it mean you have observed instances miraculous intervention?
I'm surprised that creationists haven't hit the "abuse" button on you for so soundly trashing their lies.
I'm curious what you think an ID "win" would look like.
Worse case? How about Nehemiah Scudder?
Then anything that contradicts the "theistic science" -- Gone!
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