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MS to omit anti-virus from Vista
The Register ^ | 30 January 2006 | John Leyden

Posted on 01/30/2006 11:00:56 AM PST by ShadowAce

Microsoft will omit anti-virus protection in Vista, the next version of Windows, which it plans to ship late this year. As with previous versions of Windows dating back to Windows 2000 at least, Redmond is promoting Vista as a landmark improvement in Windows security.

Jim Allchin, co-president of Microsoft's platform products and services division, told reseller magazineCRN that safety and security, improved user experience, and mobility features will be key additions in Vista. But there will be no anti-virus software, the Windows development supremo said during a questions and answers session with CRN. For unspecified business (not technical) reasons, Microsoft will sell anti-virus protection to consumers through its OneCare online backup and security service.

Symantec, though its assisted enquiries from investigators, has said it would rather take on Microsoft in the marketplace than cry foul to regulators over Microsoft's entry into the consumer anti-virus marketplace. McAfee has made no suggestion it's about to object to Redmond's encroachment on it traditional turf, either. So it seems Microsoft has either decided anti-virus technology is better delivered as a service or else figured out that's a better business model to pursue.

We're not sure which because Allchin ducked CRN's question on why anti-virus software won't feature in Vista by saying the answer was "complicated", but not based on technical concerns. Curiously, basic anti-spyware protection - via Windows Defender - will feature in Vista.

Vista will also include a major revamp of Internet Explorer (IE 7), features designed to thwart phishing, and group policy management features that make it easier to control the use of USB devices. Windows' built-in firewall will be revamped to filter malicious traffic originating from a Vista PC as well as ingress filtering, the half on the equation that came with Windows XP.

Allchin said security in Vista is far improved from Windows XP SP2, whose heavily touted security features include technology that has made computer worms (though not Trojans based on the recent Windows Meta File vulnerability) less of a problem. "SP2 was a very good system, but compared to Vista it's night and day," Allchin said.

In a separate Q&A session, Allchin was grilled by Redmond's local paper, The Seattle Times, during which he explained that Microsoft has changed its development program with Vista to include fewer release candidates for the operating system. New community-technology previews, with more frequent drops targeted at different audiences, will speed the development process, Allchin said.

The feature set in Vista has now been finalised and Microsoft's focus has moved on to quality assurance. "Between now and RTM we're doing nothing but listening to usability feedback, improving performance and quality," Allchin told CRN. ®


TOPICS: Technical
KEYWORDS: antivirus; convictedmonopoly; lowqualitycrap; malware; microsoft; userfriendly; vista
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1 posted on 01/30/2006 11:00:58 AM PST by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...

2 posted on 01/30/2006 11:01:11 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Legacy AntiVirus technology is useless against today's threats. Legacy AV is based off of 20+ year old threats. Simply put, it can't be updated fast enough and it is always reactive.


3 posted on 01/30/2006 11:04:59 AM PST by xrp
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To: ShadowAce
Redmond is promoting Vista as a landmark improvement in Windows security.Just in case anybody was thinking of buying some stock......SYMC 18.15......MFE 22.93. :)
4 posted on 01/30/2006 11:07:47 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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5 posted on 01/30/2006 11:11:02 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: ShadowAce

If you make the OS bullet-proof you don't need anti-virus protection in the first place...........


6 posted on 01/30/2006 11:13:18 AM PST by Red Badger (...I will bless them that bless thee and those who curse thee I will turn into Liberals..........)
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To: Red Badger

That's called OS X


7 posted on 01/30/2006 11:16:56 AM PST by Panerai
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To: ShadowAce

I've been fooling around with Red Hat 9 Linux recently. For all that it's a couple of years old, it's pretty good; it seems a little 'quicker' than the W2K I normally use, but installing drivers and upgrades is still pretty grim. The real problem is lack of Linux drivers from peripheral manufacturers; SANE is a pretty good 'universal' scanner driver but my wife looks at the HP 6300C and wants to know why the buttons on the front don't work any more.


8 posted on 01/30/2006 11:17:01 AM PST by Grut
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To: Panerai

...or izzit SOX?..........


9 posted on 01/30/2006 11:17:51 AM PST by Red Badger (...I will bless them that bless thee and those who curse thee I will turn into Liberals..........)
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To: ShadowAce

I'm betting that MSFT simply doesn't want to deal with the constant updating required by antivirus software. That and the risk that a nasty virus will get through and really tick off users.

Let Symantec and others bear this difficult burden. I think that's the "business" decision Microsoft is making here.

As someone said, "That way lies madness..."


10 posted on 01/30/2006 11:23:28 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: ShadowAce
So it seems Microsoft has either decided anti-virus technology is better delivered as a service or else figured out that's a better business model to pursue.

MS may be heading off anti-trust complaints and suits by unbundling the AV software from the O/S. They've had too many bad experiences in the past with their all-incluse software packages both in the U.S. and abroad.

Besides, allowing other AV software companies means that those companies will be using the new O/S, hence, more clients. MS may even be planning to market their own AV package as a means of additional revenue.

And, forget about a foolproof-O/S or protected O/S or AV-proof or Adware-proof or Trojan-proof software. Ain't no such thing. No matter what is built, somebody, somewhere will find the faults and the holes in it. You can only build it good in the beginning and improve on it later.
11 posted on 01/30/2006 11:26:16 AM PST by adorno
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If you make the OS bullet-proof you don't need anti-virus protection in the first place...........

Yea.

Step one. Remove 99.999% of the features of today's modern OSs.

Step two. Limit device support to a small number of devices that con be supported with simple drivers developed in house.

Step three. Do not allow any third party drivers to be loaded.

Step four. Only allow verified and tested third party software and only give that software a very limited API to interface to the OS with.

You've now got a decent starting poing for making a solid and secure OS.

Add in some rigid design procedures and outside test and verification, and if you're reasonably efficient, you'll only spend a couple thousand dollars per line of code for something arguably solid and secure.

For more information se the D.O. 178 standards for software design used in avaition system.

12 posted on 01/30/2006 11:28:47 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: ShadowAce; John Lenin
Microsoft will omit anti-virus protection in Vista, the next version of Windows, which it plans to ship late this year. As with previous versions of Windows dating back to Windows 2000 at least, Redmond is promoting Vista as a landmark improvement in Windows security.

How interesting. Here is something to think about, given MS's new DRM policy of having to review every third party driver that goes into Vista: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1567076/posts Anti-virus/spyware program developement are going to be dragged to the point where they will go months between driver updates/patches if ever considering third party anti-virus/spyware programers are going to have a difficult time telling the difference between Vista DRM and viruses/spyware.

The realities of the software industry in dealing with viruses and spyware is about to give MS a good hard slap over Vista plan DRM policies and programs.

13 posted on 01/30/2006 11:29:01 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: adorno

See post 13.


14 posted on 01/30/2006 11:31:09 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: ShadowAce
More FUD
15 posted on 01/30/2006 11:31:59 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: MineralMan; xrp; USNBandit

See post 13 of this thread.


16 posted on 01/30/2006 11:32:09 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: untrained skeptic

Step 0.5 Install OpenBSD out of the box!


17 posted on 01/30/2006 11:33:20 AM PST by xrp
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To: untrained skeptic

Sounds a lot like MAC OS-xxxxxx.xxxx


18 posted on 01/30/2006 11:34:10 AM PST by Red Badger (...I will bless them that bless thee and those who curse thee I will turn into Liberals..........)
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To: ShadowAce
I bet Gates simply doesn't want to develop an entirely new business of AV updating and monitoring without any additional revenue generation. In other words, it's too much trouble for something he would be giving away for free.

Now, if MSFT decides to develop and market its own "Vista-oriented" AV system, now, that's another story. There's potential dollars to be found there.

19 posted on 01/30/2006 11:35:28 AM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: Panerai
That's called OS X

OS X doesn't encounter as many viruses or malware as Windows. But then again, what percentage of users does OS-X have compared to Windows. If OS-X were to get large enough to compare with the number of Windows users, then there would be a whole number of new viruses developed for that software. The least used software often have the least number of viruses or other malware developed for it.

Bullet-proof software doesn't exist. Not even OS X.
20 posted on 01/30/2006 11:36:37 AM PST by adorno
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