...1911 Browning 45 semi-automatic..used WWI thru Korean war and beyond.
..John Moses Browning ..inventor..1855 - 1926
Posted on 01/29/2006 11:14:04 AM PST by John Jorsett
After two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense is getting rid of its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber) weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared to the .45) hitting power of the 9mm. And in the last few years, SOCOM (Special Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber pistols as “official alternatives” to the M9 Beretta. But now SOCOM has been given the task of finding a design that will be suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs are being evaluated, but all must be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine (at least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 will also have a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length must be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.
The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985, was, as its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern designs out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and are easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually about a century old, as a design). The Department of Defense plans to buy 645,000 JCPs.
SOCOM will, with input from other branches, handle the evaluation and final selection. This will take place this year, and if the military moves with unaccustomed alacrity, troops could start getting their JCPs next year. But don’t hold your breath.
Well, I am something of a "gun expert".
And I carry a Browning High-Power 9mm.
I used to carry a 1911 .45, until it became very clear that 14 rds. of 9mm is far better than 7 rds. of .45 when facing multiple assailants.
I am a pretty fair shot, but having to shoot in the real world, where the bad guys are shooting at YOU, from cover, I realize that the extra rounds are more important then just "stopping power".
In reality shot PLACEMENT is far more important than caliber.
I know a man who survived being shot with a .50 BMG round, and of several others who have died from .17 pellet rifles.
Actually, the Original "Trench Broom" was a shotgun, often with a barrel of less than 18" and a bayonet.
Thompson's came later, look at their model numbers.
Please be more specific - what techniques did you learn about shooting the M1911?
What kinda shotgun?
Big ole Browning?
Love Bonnie and Clyde music </grin
"I like my Glock 10mm. :-)"
As do I. It's nice to have 15+1 rounds of .41 mag-class argument stoppers on tap. Having said that, the only reason that me and the missus have SIG 229s in .40 is that that was the pistol and biggest caliber with which she was quick and accurate. She just didn't feel as comfortable on a first-shot basis with a .45. So we went for matching SIGs in .40 as the best compromise. I also liked having the option to switch to the .357 SIG round with a mere barrel and magazine change. Some folks think pretty highly of the .357 SIG, but I haven't been able to test the hypothesis as yet.
Hey, I'm a BUFF myself. I could carry a Mossberg 500 concealed, if I really wanted to. ;^>
45ACP ping!
My son says that the only way to knock down someone with the 9MM is to hit them with them gun.
Ruger's new p345 is a honey of a gun!
Your barrel must have been bent. Marines Force Recon uses the .45 M1911 and have no problems shooting expert.
"Also have a 700 Remington chambered in 30.06
Have lots of boxes of rounds all with tips of rounds drilled out to make them hollowpoints.
Live in Texas and we are being invaded. Govt dosent seem to give a damm so we have to do what we have to do to defend ourselves."
Look on the bright side...Janet Reno could be in charge and have your 'compound' surrounded...lol
Mutiple layers of clothing? Good god. The $hit that passes for wisdom around here is astounding.
...1911 Browning 45 semi-automatic..used WWI thru Korean war and beyond.
..John Moses Browning ..inventor..1855 - 1926
Holding the pistol upside down, one hand on his knee, bent over and firing with his pinkie.
I have learned to get three inch groups @ 35 yards with mine, but it really needs another visual sight on the bottom of the magazine.
That is probably why that Marine held it upside down - - experience makes the shooting.
You can visually track the slug falling as it goes down range, which is not a bad thing if you take time to practice a little.
Chambering for a long Colt cartridge would solve that problem.
All good points, thanks. I dont own a 9mm but do I treasure my old Colt. I suppose a Colt in the hand is worth 5 9mms that arent in my hand. ;)
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