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Frist: Gov't Unwanted in End-Of-Life Cases
AP on Yahoo ^ | 1/29/06 | AP

Posted on 01/29/2006 10:06:22 AM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: andysandmikesmom
understand what you are saying...but what I am asking, must every single discussion about end of life issues, dwell on Terri Schiavo?..Is it possible to discuss end of life issues, without talking about Terri Schiavo?

Sure. But, consider...... about 11 paragraphs, in the article up above, refer to Terri.

I think the article has only one paragraph that doesn't refer to the Schiavo case.

261 posted on 01/29/2006 6:55:30 PM PST by syriacus (Help plan John Kerry's Fillet-Bluster at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1566194/posts)
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To: syriacus

I understand that..but it has more far reaching implications...I guess you dont want to discuss those...The matter of Terri Schiavo is the only thing to be discussed, right?

Yes, Terri Shiavo is mentioned in this article...but it must be admitted, often there are threads discussing something completely unrelated to Terri Shiavo, and yet, someone will start trying to introduce the matter of Terri
Schiavo into the discussion, and usually meets with complete failure, because simply the thread is not about her...This is not as blatantly the case here, but there are other issues to be discussed, issues of end of life matters, without the mention of Terri Schiavo...

I can read as well as anyone, and comprehend as well as anyone...and, the article also concluded with the mentioning that people dont want the govt sticking their noses into end of life decisions...that should be up for discussion as well..

Guess it wont be tho, this thread should be about nothing but Terri Schiavo....


262 posted on 01/29/2006 7:02:50 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom
Is it possible to discuss end of life issues, without talking about Terri Schiavo?

This article is almost all about Terri. Perhaps a more general article about euthanasia and end-of-life issues could be posted, to start another thread. There would be more material to work with, then.

263 posted on 01/29/2006 7:03:07 PM PST by syriacus (Help plan John Kerry's Fillet-Bluster at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1566194/posts)
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To: Hildy
I just answered her/his leading question about suicide. (As I probably should not have...)
I agree with you. It doesn't have anything to do with people not wanting the government to intrude on personal decisions. Particularly on end of life care.
As I understand you, you definitly don't want any govt intrusion on your end of life care. Nor do I.
In fact, I don't want the govt telling me or my loved ones what kind of care they/I should, or must have, at any time in our lives!!!
264 posted on 01/29/2006 7:03:40 PM PST by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist , cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" if he had any regrets regarding the Schiavo case, Frist said: "Well, I'll tell you what I learned from it, which is obvious. The American people don't want you involved in these decisions."

If he learned that, then he didn't learn what this American was saying.

265 posted on 01/29/2006 7:04:28 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: andysandmikesmom

I didn't read you yet, but I wanted to say HI THERE,DEAR! It's good to see you again!
Going back to read you now.


266 posted on 01/29/2006 7:05:34 PM PST by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist , cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: dalereed

It will be my decision, as it was my fathers, and if you don't like it go f*** yourself!
>>>

Wrong, and while you're right I can't save you from your own homicidal urges, I'll gladly have you arrested if you try it on anyone else. Just as I would any other person who tried to kill the innocent.


267 posted on 01/29/2006 7:09:51 PM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: syriacus

Get a grip...no need to shout and color your words in red...unimpressive...

Tho perhaps you are correct...since you cannot discuss the matter of end of life issues, without bringing up Terri Schiavo, then perhaps your suggestion is a good one...except for one thing....if the thread would be posted as a general thread about end of life issues, surely within just a few posts, Terris name would be brought up, the Terri ping list would be alerted, and soon enough the whole discussion would turn again to Terri....

What would be informative, would be a general thread about end of life issues, with people relaying how they dealt with this in their own lives, with their own loved ones, and how they hope to deal with it in their very own end of life decisions...this would be interesting and informative, if it could be kept on track, for what it was...

I certainly meant no offense, tho it seems as if some was taken...I just thought there could be some more general end of life discussions taking place..


268 posted on 01/29/2006 7:10:53 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: meema

Nice to see you as well...


269 posted on 01/29/2006 7:11:43 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom
The article also concluded with the mentioning that people dont want the govt sticking their noses into end of life decisions...that should be up for discussion as well..

It has been discussed. It has been discussed more on this thread than in the article, I'd guess.

Often there are threads discussing something completely unrelated to Terri Shiavo,

I don't think this thread should be required to "do penance" for all the other threads that "sinned."

It has more far reaching implications.

Of course it does. Maybe someone can post an article that would be a good jumping off point and start a more general thread.

270 posted on 01/29/2006 7:14:20 PM PST by syriacus (Help plan John Kerry's Fillet-Bluster at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1566194/posts)
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To: syriacus

Well then, the simplest solution is for you to discuss Terri Schiavo, and I will just discuss the more far reaching implications of govt intrusion on end of life matters, with just those posters who are interested in such...in that way, we both can discuss what we wish to, with those that we wish to...and all are happy...


271 posted on 01/29/2006 7:20:59 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: floriduh voter

What does this have to do with homeland security ?


272 posted on 01/29/2006 7:29:59 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: andysandmikesmom

What an awful trauma to have to go through with that doctor. It is hard enough to stand firm in carrying out a parent's wishes when you don't have to fight really hard.
I have had the same experience with my Grandma and my parents. At least I didn't have to fight with the doctors.
The pain we go through watching, and holding our parents as they go to heaven is hard enough...


273 posted on 01/29/2006 7:31:02 PM PST by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist , cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: Wheee The People
but some 20 other courts reviewed and judges affirmed this case and decision

Which of those courts actually revisited the case?

274 posted on 01/29/2006 7:31:16 PM PST by syriacus (Help plan John Kerry's Fillet-Bluster at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1566194/posts)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I don't honestly believe she had the consciousness to want for food, or water.

Many who saw her, in person, say otherwise.

275 posted on 01/29/2006 7:35:53 PM PST by syriacus (Help plan John Kerry's Fillet-Bluster at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1566194/posts)
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To: meema

What really blew me away about this doctor tho, is that he tried to coerce me and my dad, claiming on some sort of religious grounds, that my dad 'HAD' to have the feeding tube inserted....a couple of years later, this same doctor was arrested for Medicare Fraud...my aunt sent me the newspaper articles from the local paper where she and my parents lived...it was all a big scandal...apparently this doctor had been double billing the govt for years on all hs medicare patients...

He was my mom and dads GP, to whom they went just for general health care...thankfully, when they became really ill, he with cancer, and she with Alzheimers, they went to the specialists...this GP was called in by the specialists only as a courtesy...

So this GP, seem to find on religious grounds that my dad must have the feeding tube inserted, but I guess the same GP found nothing in his religion admonishing him from stealing money from the govt, in the form of double billing...

I hope he went to jail...


276 posted on 01/29/2006 7:36:35 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: syriacus

Many in this debate have said a lot of things that are untrue. That's why I'm not debating it any more.

I'm sorry, I guess it is a Schiavo thread and not a "Frist reconsiders his earlier position about government involvement" thread.


277 posted on 01/29/2006 7:40:00 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

We do need to to discuss the wider subject, but it's so hard when it always turns to Terri.
And then people are calling other people names...
You have a good evening, too. I think it's my bedtime.


278 posted on 01/29/2006 7:40:34 PM PST by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist , cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm interested in the issues, not just that case.

Which case would you like to discuss? You could start a thread about it.

279 posted on 01/29/2006 7:41:25 PM PST by syriacus (Help plan John Kerry's Fillet-Bluster at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1566194/posts)
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To: syriacus

Not tonight, dear.


280 posted on 01/29/2006 7:42:58 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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