Frist: Gov't Unwanted in End-Of-Life Cases

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[Freedom Dignity n Honor]

"Just using your argument: So lets say today the government gets involved to prevent murder of the inconvenient. Now, government is involved."

Ohhh I just had to answer this before I left to watch TV!

Guess what? Government has actually been involved at least since the 1700's to prevent the murder of the innocent inconvenients here in the US! And in truth, for hundreds of years most governments have maintained this position.

Governments have no business in the killing of innocent inconvenients.

[meema]

I can only repeat, Americans do not want the government involved in such end-of-life decisions.

[Appalled but Not Surprised]

The day I can't provide for myself 100% is the day I check out and you or anyone else can't stop me, at that point I have no right taking up space on this planet!>>>

Wrong answer. I used to work with the handicapped, including one I regarded as my own son. Your attitude would have sentenced him to death.

Google the origins of the phrase 'useless eaters'. The Nazis had *precisely* the same attitude as you toward the weak and helpless. And they first started gassing the handicapped long before they starte in on the Jews.

[Hildy]

End of life decisions are made by individuals and families. There are laws, and in T. Schiavo's case a court decided on who was telling the truth. Just because you didn't like the outcome doesn't mean the government should get involved. God help us if they do.

[bvw]

Most murderers find the government unwanted, Dr. Frist. Shall we fire all homicide dicks and prosecuters specializing in murders, and strike all laws against murder. Right-o, Dr. Frist. Bring us all into Bedlam.

[meema]

Calling people that you do not know a liar, says much about you.

[dalereed]

It will be my decision, as it was my fathers, and if you don't like it go f*** yourself!

Personally I think laws against suiside are wrong, but hey, they can only be enforced aginst those too stupid to be successful.

[FairOpinion]

BykrBayb summed it up best in her post 115:

"Funny how people claim not to want the government involved, but they supported the government ordering the murder of an innocent woman. They just don't support the government performing its most sacred duty; defending the lives of the citizens"

[Hildy]

I so agree with you, well, maybe provide for myself 90%! But if some have there way here, your body will be kept alive goddammit, no matter what...

[syriacus]

Be Back Later! Law and Order:CI is getting ready to come on! :)

Enjoy the show!

[bvw]

Many a crafty spouse or inheritor is thanking folks like you, for relieving them of a burden. The burden of being caught for a well-done murder. They appreciate the efforts of citizens such as yourself willing to tell the nanny-staters to buzz off. As you say (in all effect) "Murder of a unwanted spouse or rich parent is a private matter, so go f*** off!"

[floriduh voter]

Terri Schindler Schiavo was NOT an end of life decision. She had no written directives, she was not PVS, she had no wishes - those were dreamed up by the death lawyers. Michael wasn't going to starve Terri until Atty Bushnell introduced him to Atty Felos. When he found out he could get rid of Terri, Michael Schiavo started to work on the death process.

Atty Felos calls murder the "death process".

Terri's g-tube was no big deal and she'd used it for 15 years. That g-tube was not medical treatment back when she got it but it was medical treatment years later after the law was changed. THAT WAS ILLEGAL to change her nutrition and hydration into medical treatment making such a change retroactive so that she could get caught in a slippery slope.

Are any of our meals considered "medical treatment"? Of course not.

That she was murdered is preposterous. There are lots of adults and children who have feeding tubes. Some need them permanently and others only need them temporarily.

What about ports for chemo and insulin? That's medical treatment too so, should those people be killed too because they need a port???? It looks like Terri Schiavo was singled out.

[DLfromthedesert]

Right. And none of us have any idea about her will, only what her "husband" said was her will.

[meema]

I'm interested in these issues from a much more general point of view...and the debate inevitably centers on Terri. We can't argue this whole issue as merely Schindler versus Schiavo.

You can say that again. This is an important social issue that does/will touch each of us right where it counts.

It is much bigger and more important to discuss in the larger context.

[bvw]

And here's a crafty recipe for a nice inheritance, or quick-cheap "divorce" with no after-effects, follwing the thoughts of Dr. First and yourself.

• Insulin
• Potassium salts

Best time: early am. Careful placement of needle is important. Helps to have subject fall while still alive -- the trauma can cover the needle point of injection.

[eleni121]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

[bvw]

Oh, and remember to dose for coma, rather than death. Then the state will be your best friend. Helps to move to Florida, where they appreciate that kind of civic duty.

[Hildy]

OK, but the definition of life is different for you and I.

[meema]

One more time:

I am not here discussing Schindler vs. Schiavo. I have nothing to say about them.

[dalereed]

I'm not so stupid as to do something so half assed and half way.