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Circumcision Ritual Generates Controversy
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Posted on 01/28/2006 7:21:40 PM PST by chet_in_ny

For thousands of years, rabbis performed a simple procedure to cleanse the wound left by a ritual circumcision. Like Boy Scouts treating a snake bite, they quickly sucked blood from the cut and spit it aside, ostensibly disposing of any harmful impurities.

The procedure may seem pure 18th Century, but it is the subject of a clash between religion and science in modern-day New York.

Prompted by a child's death, the state health department is developing its first set of safety guidelines on the ritual of oral suction, which was abandoned by most Jews long ago but survived in a handful of Hasidic communities.

Doctors have long been concerned that the act, called "metzitzah b'peh" in Hebrew, could spread disease, but their argument became urgent last year when New York City health officials said the procedure had given a baby a fatal infection.

The illness was herpes simplex type 1, the common virus transmitted by saliva that causes cold sores. Usually harmless to adults, it can be deadly to newborns.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bris; newyork; ptooey; snipsnip
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IMO, the State has no right to regulate/ban a religious cerimony.
1 posted on 01/28/2006 7:21:41 PM PST by chet_in_ny
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To: Vom Willemstad K-9

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2 posted on 01/28/2006 7:23:45 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: chet_in_ny
Nonsense. Jihadist murder, for instance, is a "religious ceremony" that the state has every power to regulate (states don't have "rights"; they have "powers").

And genital mutilation is a barbaric custom, might I add.

3 posted on 01/28/2006 7:24:15 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: chet_in_ny

I didn't know they started so young. How many baby wingwangs has your Rabbi sucked today? Seems the Catholic church carried it a bit too far though. lol This would make and excellent South Park Episode!


4 posted on 01/28/2006 7:26:39 PM PST by Ma3lst0rm
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To: chet_in_ny

Somehow the idea of Rabbi's sucking baby penises seems a tad ... er inappropriate perhaps?


5 posted on 01/28/2006 7:26:47 PM PST by plain talk
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To: AntiGuv

LOL, I stand corrected. I'm just concerned with state governments using "health concerns" to strip people of liberties. Smoking bans come to mind, along with countless other "health" related regulation.


6 posted on 01/28/2006 7:27:05 PM PST by chet_in_ny
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To: chet_in_ny
New York City health officials said the procedure had given a baby a fatal infection.

The mohel was tested and was found to be free of the virus. The infection came from elsewhere.

Hundreds of thousands of babies are circumcised every year (in the U.S., Israel, Europe and elsewhere) with no negative effects as a result of the procedure.

7 posted on 01/28/2006 7:28:19 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 135-139)
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To: chet_in_ny
I'm just concerned with state governments using "health concerns" to strip people of liberties.

No problem with that in general, but would you have a problem with forcing infants to smoke?

9 posted on 01/28/2006 7:29:33 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: chet_in_ny

Some people just freak out at the thought of this procedure. I have witnessed several (of my own sons and grandsons) and the entire operation takes a few seconds. There is NO WAY a person could "get off" sexually by doing this, not to mention that there is a crowd of people present during the ceremony.


10 posted on 01/28/2006 7:31:05 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 135-139)
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To: plain talk

... File this ritual under, "This Doesn't Help Our Image".


11 posted on 01/28/2006 7:31:12 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: chet_in_ny

I'm not saying that this particular instance is one that necessarily requires regulation. I mean, granted if it were up to me genital mutilation would just be banned outright, but since the mutilation of infant boys is tolerated due to barbaric custom, I dunno if there's any much reason to worry about the methods beyond that. Now, if there was a legitimate health risk, such as alleged here, then maybe. If they do establish that the circumcision led to the baby's death, then I wouldn't have a problem if the state required that they find a less revolting method of carrying out their barbarism than sucking the boy's penis.


12 posted on 01/28/2006 7:31:44 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Ma3lst0rm
This would make and excellent South Park Episode!

LOL, actually I think one of the early Sp episodes was "Ike's Bris"

13 posted on 01/28/2006 7:32:03 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 135-139)
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To: chet_in_ny

And please bear in mind that this is not a matter of the state government 'using health concerns to strip people of liberties' - unless you're referring to the liberty of people to mutilate their children. The infants have no say in the matter, and it's well-known that those who do have say in whether their genitals are mutilated (i.e., adults) rarely choose to get themselves mutilated..


14 posted on 01/28/2006 7:36:36 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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a less revolting method of carrying out their barbarism

Your comments bely that you posses little to no knowledge of what circumcision is. Not only is it a safe procedure, it has proven health benefits. It has been done for years by both Coptic Christians and Jews on the 8'th day. In all probability Jesus also had the procedure. I wouldn't call the procedure barbaric, by any stretch of the word.

15 posted on 01/28/2006 7:42:27 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: chet_in_ny


Elaine Benes, "But it had no,you know,character.Don`t

the inny."


16 posted on 01/28/2006 7:44:44 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: ozoneliar

Oh please. If you told people you were merely gonna have your newborn's ears pierced they'd think you were some kind of freak, yet slicing up your newborn son's genitals is 'normalized' by nothing but barbaric custom.

Way back in the day, Jews did nothing more than snip the tip of foreskin, which is more tantamount to, say, ear piercing. Radical circumcision - i.e., the tearing off of the entire prepuce - did not emerge but for political reasons until after Hadrian's reign during the Late Roman Empire.

Chances are exceptional that Jesus did not have a radical circumcision such as is customary today, because radical circumcision was not a typical custom among Jews in his day.


17 posted on 01/28/2006 7:46:01 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Para-Ord.45

This just makes my Ick meter go way off the scale.


18 posted on 01/28/2006 7:48:24 PM PST by CalvaryJohn (What is keeping that damned asteroid?)
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To: AntiGuv
The infants have no say in the matter, and it's well-known that those who do have say in whether their genitals are mutilated (i.e., adults) rarely choose to get themselves mutilated..

Don't you mean that it is well known that those who have their sons circumcised are circumcised themselves?

19 posted on 01/28/2006 7:48:52 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: AntiGuv
those who do have say in whether their genitals are mutilated (i.e., adults) rarely choose to get themselves mutilated..

Circumcision was banned for many years in the soviet Union. Now that religion may once again be freely practiced, fathers are bringing their baby boys to be circumcised, and frequently request the procedure for themselves as well.

The Bible requires the procedure to be performed on the 8th day.

20 posted on 01/28/2006 7:48:59 PM PST by Alouette (Pray for Israel: Psalms of the Day: 140-150)
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