Posted on 01/28/2006 6:39:59 PM PST by Dark Skies
Yo!
No wonder the Jews still want to hold out for peace and reconciliation. Hamas leaders speak in such diplomatic an nuanced language it is hard to figure out what they really mean.
Behind all the flowery language and 60 suicide bombers there might be a hidden agenda.
Some harm might be intended for the Jews. Its hard to decipher from Hamas dialogue and actions. - tom
I hope that our President and Sec of State (who I think are well meaning souls...just too danged naive) notice that the Palis still want to kill all Jews (and the Sunday people are next).
Please don't misunderestimate this administration.
I suggest that their 1/2 billion payment to the PA three years ago to further the prospects of democracy is evidence of their naivete.
Unless there is a hidden agenda, the administration is guilty of being too optimistic. I love em...but islam is evil and they are just beginning to get it.
Article Eleven: The Islamic Resistance Movement(HAMAS) believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that.
Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?
This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.
and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force
That means you Spain. The Muslims are in your country now and they aren't leaving. -Tom
Their "roadmap" explained:
...the importance, reward and requirement for the Muslims to perform Jihaad Fi Sabeel Lillah i.e. physical struggle:...the saying and actions of Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) show that Jihaad definitely is to start (offensive) fighting the kuffar to make the Words of Allah the highest and to propagate (dawa) the call of Islam. Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) said:
"I have been ordered to fight the people until they bear witness that, there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger and they establish the prayer and the zakat. And if they do this, then from me is protected their blood and their wealth except by the right granted by Allah."As for his (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) actions, they are full of actions that show Jihaad is to start the fighting. So when he went out to Badr to take the caravan belonging to the Quraysh, this was going out to fight, this is offensive as Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) initiated the action before the Quraysh. Likewise, when Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) invaded Hawazin in the battle of Hunayn, when he (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) seiged Taif and the battle of Mutah to fight the Romans and the Battle of Tabuk all of these are evidences to show that Jihaad is to start fighting kuffar (offensive). This should clarify the erroneous view that in origin Jihaad is defensive...
The old religion of "hate and rage"...Good to hear from you, USF. Big happenings this week, eh?
Thanks for the great posts DS. I fear unless the rest of the world wakes up and counters this ever expanding threat in any way they can, many bigger things are yet to come.
The arabs teach their children from a very young age that Jews are evil, and they've stolen their land. That islam says that Jews must be killed.
I'm just amazed that anyone's even the slightest bit surprised by the election results.
Mark
The Hamas election paved a no exit, one-way, high speed highway toward a wider and all inclusiive war in the region that will change the geopolitical face of the Middle East and Southwest Asia for centuries. This conflagration has been in preparation since the end of WW I and the British drawing of artificial boundries in 1922. The inevitable may be delayed by futile attempts at diplomacy, but the dogs of war are let loose.
just my opinion but from what I've been reading on this site the last few months I'd be very surprised if there is a true peace without serious bloodshed.
Looks like the twenty-first century will not have it's swords beaten to plowshares anytime soon. Then again maybe the palis will just kill each other and do everyone a favour...the Arabs consider them idiotic tools anyway. "martyrs"??? huh!
I propose giving the mullahs and assorted jihad vermin "The Dirt Nap To Peace!"
ON THE NET...
http://internet-haganah.com/hmedia/28jan06-hamas-brothers.jpg
http://internet-haganah.com/jihadi/hamas.html
http://internet-haganah.com/harchives/005229.html
27 October 2005
"Hamas' plan for Palestine and their role in the Global Jihad"
http://internet-haganah.com/harchives/003976.html
17 April 2005
"Hamas
Background: Hamas - Portrait of a Terrorist Organization"
http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/11_04/legacy.htm
November 2004
"The influence of the legacy of global jihad on Hamas"
If we continue to give money to the pals , then we are a nation of fools .WE would be funding a terorist state at that point.
They have all been shown to be the fools that most of us have seen for years.
Hopefully they will now face reality, and realize that Begin, Meir et.al. were not neanderthals, but instead were the best chance Israel ever had to survive.
The real test of this new development is how the Israeli citizens respond. Do they have what the fortitude their parents had?
At the eve of the "final solution" to the "Jewish Problem", the Mufti (Yasser Arafat's father's brother) and Adolf Hitler confer in Berlin, November 21st, 1941
The Grand Mufti Al-Sayed Amin Al-Husseini
2) Summons to a Intifada Against Britain
A "Fatwa " Issued by Haj Amin al-Husseini10, May, 1941* * Translated from:-"Oriente Modemo," 1941, pp. 552-553; broadcast over the 'Iraqi and Axis radios.
In the name of Merciful and Almighty God.I invite all my Moslem brothers throughout the whole world to join in the Holy War for God, for the defense of Islam and her lands against her enemy. O Faithful, obey and respond to my call.
O Moslems!
Proud 'Iraq has placed herself in the vanguard of this Holy Struggle, and has thrown herself against the strongest enemy of Islam certain that God will grant her victory.
The English have tried to seize this Arab-Moslem land, but she has risen, full of dignity and pride to defend her safety, to fight for her honor and to safeguard her integrity. 'Iraq fights the tyranny which has always had as its aim the destruction of Islam in every land. It is the duty of all Moslems to aid 'Iraq in her struggle and to seek every means to fight the enemy, the traditional traitor in every age and every situation.
Whoever knows the history of the East has everywhere seen the hand of the English working to destroy the Ottoman Empire and to divide the Arab countries. British politics toward the Arab people is masked under a veil of Hypocrisy. The minute she sees her chance, England squeezes the prostrate country in her Imperialist grasp, adding futile justifications. More here
Source: The Arab War Effort-A Documentary Account The American Christian Palestine Committee (New York, n.d.).
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Gamal Abdal Nasser (1918-1970): The author Goodrick-Clarke says Nasser was "well disposed" towards the Nazis
Most people assumes that when Nazi's fled Europe after the war most of them went to Latin America, where the ruling elite's - such as the Peron's in Argentina - had always been sympathetic to Nazi ideology. Many did, but a sizable number of others find work in Egypt, notably under the regime of Gamal Abdal Nasser (1918-1970), an Egyptian army officer and political leader, who was the first president of the republic of Egypt (1956-70). In 1952 he led the coup that deposed King Farouk (another Nazi sympathizer), and later became premier (1954), and president (1956). Hitler had enjoyed quite a following among the nationalist youth of Egypt during the war, after Nassiri Nasser, the brother of Gamal had published an Arab edition of Mein Kampf in 1939, describing its author as the "strongest man of Europe".
The Nazi-Arab connection started by the Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, continued after the war according to Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke writing in Hitler's Priestess: Savitri Devi, the Hindu-Aryan myth, and Neo-Nazism (New York University Press, New York, USA, 1998). The Middle East had emerged as a haven for Nazis fleeing Europe in the 1950s, which had its roots in the anti-British and pro-Nazi attitudes of Vichy Syria, Rashid Ali in Iraq, King Farouk of Egypt and the Mufti of Jerusalem.
Thus, Egypt became like Argentina, a safe-haven for Nazi's fleeing justice and retribution from the Allies in Europe. Goodrick-Clarke states that King Farouk had been "impressed" by his garage mechanics recruited from Afrika Korps POWs, and:
"Wondered what he might achieve with officers from elite units of the Gestapo and SS who had fought so hard against the hated British" (p174).Thus, a number of "nazi experts" who had escaped the Allied dragnet were hired by the King as military, financial and technical advisers. Although King Farouk was ousted in a military coup in January 1952, the Generals of the Egyptian armed forces were themselves "great admirers" of the Nazi's and "availed themselves of further large-scale imports of ex-Nazi expertise". They were to be helped by the former Luftwaffe ace Hans-Ulrich Rudel, the ex-SS commando Otto Skorzeny (1908-1975) and Eugen Dollman in recruiting "large numbers" of former Nazi fugitives from Argentina for key posts in the new republican regime in Egypt.
It is Skorzeny who is generally credited with setting up the famous escape network to help Nazi war criminals escape Europe after the war, known as the ODESSA network. Thousands of Nazi war criminals benefited from his escape network (helped by the Vatican) and fled to Arab countries and Latin America between 1949 and 1952. The ODESSA network also had close links with the CIA - Skorzeny himself worked with the new West German intelligence service set up under CIA auspices by the former wartime German intelligence chief, Reinhard Gehlen. In fact, it was the leading CIA officer Allen Dulles who invited this SS war criminal to help reorganize the security forces of the new Egyptian Republic.
Apparently, Skorzeny was approached by Mossad while living in Spain, in 1963, and agreed to provide information on Germans working in Egypt - especially rocket scientists. Mossad sent men who were said to have posed as 'NATO officials'. One possible explanation for the Nazi's co-operation may be that the CIA's James Jesus Angleton was responsible for links to other Western agencies, and had good relations with Israel and Mossad. Apparently, the CIA chief Allen Dulles asked Gehlen to inject some "life and expertise" into the Egyptian secret service:
"Some former SS and Gestapo officers had been supplied, with a first batch of about 100 being enlisted by Otto Skorzeny in 1953" (Ian Black and Benny Morris, Israel's Secret Wars, p161)The first victims may have been Egyptian Jews and Communists, tortured by Gestapo experts. But the Nazi network spread through the Arab world (for instance Alois Brunner in Damascus), and later probably played a part in the pogroms and massacres against the Left in Iraq following the CIA (and Nasser) - backed coup there in 1963.
As early as January 1952, the ODESSA network was in contact with "influential" Egyptian army officers and the former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, who had lived in Egypt since the fall of Nazi Germany. According to the Israeli intelligence agency MOSSAD and French intelligence files, numerous former SS officers held key positions in the secret service and political police in Egypt. These included:
- Joachim Däumling, former Gestapo chief in Düsseldorf, and later engaged in SS operations in Croatia. He was employed to set up the Egyptian secret service along the lines of the SS Reichssicherheitshauptamt (Himmler's Reich Security Main Office); he was helped by the former Gestapo chief of Warsaw who organised the security police.
- SS Major Eugen Eichberger, battalion-commander in the Dirlewanger brigade;
- SS Colonel Leopold Gleim, chief of the Gestapo department for Jewish affairs in Poland;
- SS Lieutenant Colonel Bernhard Bender, Gestapo official in Poland the USSR, whose knowledge of Yiddish enabled him to penetrate Jewish underground organisations;
- SS General Heinrich Selimann, Gestapo chief in Ulm;
- SS Major Schmalstich, Gestapo liaison officer to French collaborationists and organizer of Jewish transports from Paris to Auschwitz;
- SS Major Seipal, Gestapo official in Paris;
- SS General Alois Moser, a war criminal who was involved in the extermination of the Soviet Jews in the Ukraine;
- SS officer Johannes von Leers (1902-1963), who had been responsible for anti-Semitic campaigns at Goebbels' propaganda ministry;
- SS officer, Alois Brunner, who had held senior position in Adolph Eichmann's "Jewish Department", and is now believed to be living under the protection of the Syrian secret police in Damascus;
- SS Major Walter Bollman, Nazi espionage chief in Britain before the war, and also involved in crimes against humanity and genocide against the Jews of the Ukraine;
- SS official Louis Heiden, who was transferred to the Egyptian press office during the war;
- Franz Bartel, and "old fighter" in the early days of the NSDAP in Germany, and Gestapo officer;
- Walter Birgal, an SS officer from Leipzig;
- Erich Bunz, a former SA major and expert in the "Jewish Question";
- Albert Thielemann, a regional SS chief in Bohemia;
- SS Captain Wilhelm Böckler, a war criminal who had precipitated in the liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto;
- Wehrmacht General Wilhelm Fahrmbacher, who took over the central planning staff in Cairo . . . .
Added to this were a number of former Nazi officials and sixty military experts, mostly former Waffen-SS men, who assisted in the training of the Egyptian army. Several of them were also linked in 1958 with the then Algerian government-in-exile. At least 200 German and Austrian scientists and other personnel were deployed in the new aircraft and missile centre at Helwan, where new staff physician was Dr. Hanns Eisele, SS Captain and medical torturer in the death camp at Buchenwald. Goodrick-Clarke says that President Gamal Abdel Nasser was "well disposed" towards the Nazis, all the more because they wished to take part in the destruction of Israel. The presence of so many Nazi's in Egypt under the Nasser regime was exposed in the world press in October 1962, and precipitated a crisis in the Israeli government (who had ordered MOSSAD to make try and kill several of the Nazi's), and embarrassment in West Germany, over the exposure of postwar Nazi collaboration with the Nasser regime.
Muftism and Nazism: World War II Collaboration. Documents
(examples of original correspondence)1) U.S. Confirms Role of Mufti as Nazi Middle East Leader
OFFICE OF U.S. CHIEF OF COUNSEL
FOR PROSECUTION OF AXIS CRIMINALITYNo. 792-PSSource:The Arab Higher Committee, Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes, The Documentary Record Submitted to The United Nations, May 1947, by Nations Associates.
17 September 1945Source of Original OKW Files, Flensburg
[Excerpt]
LEADS: CANARIS, IBN SAUD, GRAND MUFTI.
SUMMARY OF RELEVANT POINTS (with page references):
1. Only through the funds made available by Germany to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was it possible to carry out the revolt in Palestine. (Page 1).
2. Germany will keep up the connection with the Grand Mufti. Weapons will be stored for the Mufti with Ibn Saud in Arabia. (Page 2).
3. Ibn Saud himself has close connections with the Grand Mufti and the revolting circles in TransJordan. (Page 2).
4. To be able to carry out our work one of Germany's agents will be placed in Cairo (Page 3).
5. The document is undated but obviously written before the outbreak of the war in 1939. It is not signed.
Analyst Landmann Doc. No. 792-PS
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Egyptian Nazi dictator Gamal Abdel Nasser proclaimed on July 26th, 1959:
"I announce from here on behalf of the United Arab Republic people that this time we will exterminate Israel."
Hamas Election Video: Armed Struggle Until Destruction of Israel
Today's Wahhabist Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Shaikh Abdul Aziz Al-Alshaikh. Arab/Muslim Nazism continues.
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Barbarians can't be "civilized" by democratic means. The so-called Palestinians aren't "peace loving like me and you", as GWB likes to claim. That is not to say that Muslims can't be civilized. They certainly are in Turkey for instance. But the Palestinians, who are pretty much all terrorists, are a different breed.
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