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Brazen Mexican incursion stretches American credulity — and patience
East Valley Tribune ^ | January 28, 2006

Posted on 01/28/2006 8:46:53 AM PST by Founding Father

With its restrictions on everything from foreign ownership of real estate to the carrying of sidearms by American drug agents assigned there, the government of Mexico has made its touchiness about its sovereignty clear time and again. But when it comes to the sovereignty of the United States of America, Mexican contempt seems to know few limits.

The latest example came at 3:15 p.m. Monday, as yet another standoff between armed Mexicans and American law-enforcement officers took place in Texas at the very spot where a similar standoff (described by Paul Green in a column on the Opinion 2 page of Monday’s Tribune) transpired Nov. 17. But instead of a fleeing dump truck full of dope pulled into Mexico by a bulldozer, Monday’s incident involved three vehicles heading southward at Neely’s Crossing — protected by the sudden appearance of at least one Humvee equipped with a heavy machine gun and manned by men in military-style uniforms.

Chief Deputy Mike Doyal of the Hudspeth County Sheriff’s Office told the Ontario, Calif., Inland Valley Daily Bulletin, that the Mexicans deployed more than 200 yards inside the U.S. border to keep his deputies, Texas state troopers and U.S. Border Patrol agents at a distance. Their firepower again had the desired effect. Though one vehicle — a Cadillac Escalade reportedly stolen in El Paso — was captured with 1,477 pounds of dope inside, the rest made it back across, unmolested by the U.S. lawmen.

“It’s been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident that it’s been going on for years,” Doyal complained. “When you’re up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us.”

While one can sympathize with Doyal — U.S. Border Patrol agents’ and police officers’ light carbines and pistols would come off a poor second to vehicle-mounted heavy machine guns — in one respect, he seems to be missing the point. A deployment of military weapons by foreigners on American soil to threaten American peace officers is an international incident — at least, in the eyes of ordinary Americans.

And the latest incidence of it seems finally to have put the cat among Mexico’s pigeons. The Mexican consul general in El Paso, Texas, announced Tuesday that his country’s army has now been ordered to keep its troops 3.2 miles from the U.S. border, while a Mexican Embassy spokesman declared in Washington that a full investigation is under way, including an inspection of Mexican military bases near the border to determine whether any uniforms or equipment are missing.

Both diplomats, however, loudly denied the Mexican army was involved in Monday’s incursion, blaming drug-cartel operatives instead. A U.S. law enforcement official declared there was no evidence that the uniformed gunmen were Mexican soldiers — though that official was unwilling to speak on the record.

But in light of the Mexican military’s 216 border incursions in the last nine years, detailed in a Homeland Security Department document obtained by a southern California newspaper, the highly trained Mexican army turncoats — “Los Zetas” — who now serve as drug-cartel enforcers, and the high-ranking Mexican army officers that have been found to be in the pay of Mexican drug lords in the past, the possibility of involvement by corrupt Mexican military personnel in this incident cannot be discounted — particularly given the appearance of uniformed men at the scene of Monday’s incident to dismantle a gun-mounted Humvee that had gotten stuck in the Rio Grande on the way back and been set afire by its occupants.

What did they have to hide? Those responsible for the security of our borders had best find out.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; armedbordersecurity; armedforces; bordersecurity; illegalimmigration; immigration; invasion; mexicanarmy; mexicantroops; mexico; narcoterrorism
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Hello? Anyone awake in D.C.?
1 posted on 01/28/2006 8:46:54 AM PST by Founding Father
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To: Founding Father
With its restrictions on [clip] foreign ownership of real estate

Therein lies the secret to maintaining permanent Third World status.

2 posted on 01/28/2006 8:49:17 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: Founding Father

The head of Homeland Security dismisses these incidents as mere ".. mistakes .."


3 posted on 01/28/2006 8:53:39 AM PST by Ken522
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To: Ken522
This is unbelievable. Time for our troops to be on the border to deal with this. Vehicle with heavy machine guns? One Apache gunship would light that up right quick. And it would only have to happen a couple of times before they got the message.

This is an absolute disgrace what's being allowed to happen on the border.
4 posted on 01/28/2006 8:59:02 AM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: headstamp
Time for our troops to be on the border to deal with this.

Don't be an idiot! We need our troops in Iraq, not playing border cop so some SUV full of weed does not sneak in.

5 posted on 01/28/2006 9:09:17 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Founding Father
This has been in the local paper (San Antonio) for about a week now, but I haven't heard a thing about in the MSM or even Fox. Is this being ignored, or have I missed it? This is isn't unusual according to congressman Tancredo, who says he's got reports of the Mexican army operating several miles inside OUR BORDER! So, how long before we realize that our neighbor to the south is an enemy?!
6 posted on 01/28/2006 9:10:51 AM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY (( Terrorism is a symptom, ISLAM IS THE DISEASE!))
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To: Founding Father
"A U.S. law enforcement official declared there was no evidence that the uniformed gunmen were Mexican soldiers..."

A word of advice to you, Mr. U.S. law enforcement official: The tried and true method of gathering that type of evidence is to shoot them and hang their sorry a$$e$ in the village square, and if you think that is beyond your capability, then maybe we need to find someone who is a bit more capable.

7 posted on 01/28/2006 9:23:35 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
"So, how long before we realize that our neighbor to the south is an enemy?!"

It is more than simply an enemy to our south. To our south, we now have a criminal enterprise at the national level unprecedented in the history of supposedly civilized nations.

8 posted on 01/28/2006 9:38:48 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: AmericaUnited

Well, then, under the circumstances, a huge fence above and below ground on the Southern Border and then close the border. At least until it's under control. I can't see allowing the bubbling up of ongoing paramilitary actions like this to continue to escalate because it's obvious that the invasive activity is not letting up, but is increasing. It has to stop. If they're armed and forcing entry into our country -- and they are -- then we have to contend with greater force to stop them.

The alternative is too horrible to consider.


9 posted on 01/28/2006 9:40:24 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: DJ Taylor

And, worse, it is opined that Fox in Mexico is the "good" one, that his competitors, so they allege, are far more radical. I can barely imagine.


10 posted on 01/28/2006 9:41:57 AM PST by MillerCreek
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To: AmericaUnited; headstamp
Don't be an idiot! We need our troops in Iraq, not playing border cop so some SUV full of weed does not sneak in.

Mr. Jerkoff-Chertoff...is that you?!


11 posted on 01/28/2006 9:42:13 AM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: AmericaUnited

I hope that was sarcasm, otherwise you have a long way to go in understanding just how dangerous this situation is...


12 posted on 01/28/2006 9:42:23 AM PST by steel_resolve
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To: AmericaUnited

You think an SUV full of weed is no big deal? How about one full of cocaine, destined to start a drug gang turf war in an American city - that gets some children killed in the crossfire?

How about a truck full of anthrax? Or VX gas or a dirty bomb? Trucks can transport many things. If you don't think securing our borders are important, you're the idiot.


13 posted on 01/28/2006 9:43:30 AM PST by Pete98 (After his defeat by the Son of God, Satan changed his name to Allah and started over.)
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To: AmericaUnited
"Don't be an idiot! We need our troops in Iraq, not playing border cop so some SUV full of weed does not sneak in."

Heavily armed border incursions are a far cry from an "SUV full of weed" How about if a dozen or so Border Patrol Agents were cut down, would that be serious enough for you? I can also do without the personal attacks from you.
14 posted on 01/28/2006 9:45:41 AM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: Founding Father

"anyone awake in D.C.?"

Yes, they are all awake. It's just that most of them are following Bush's (subliminal)line about cheap labor for big business.


15 posted on 01/28/2006 9:46:40 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Founding Father
"Wakie-wakie, Presidente Arbusto!"


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

The Duncan Hunter 15' Fence

16 posted on 01/28/2006 9:48:18 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: AmericaUnited; headstamp
We need our troops in Iraq, not playing border cop so some SUV full of weed does not sneak in.

You poor thing, you are in denial, aren't you?

17 posted on 01/28/2006 9:49:20 AM PST by kstewskis ("There you go again..." R.R.)
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To: Founding Father
Two solutions to this problem spring to mind.

1) Legalize whatever it is they're smuggling.

2) Have the Mexican government declare formally and publicly that any Mexican soldier who threatens U.S. forces on U.S. soil is a mutineer who may be shot without further ado (and pursued across the border if need be), then keep some heavy weapons on hand.

The first is cheaper and more effective, the second more macho.
18 posted on 01/28/2006 9:51:02 AM PST by xenophiles
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To: kstewskis
We could give border patrol Humvees and bigger guns too. The problem is bigger than a pickup and a sidearm.
19 posted on 01/28/2006 9:52:35 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: AmericaUnited
Don't be an idiot! We need our troops in Iraq, not playing border cop so some SUV full of weed does not sneak in.

Given the choices of protecting our own nation, American property and lives or expending resources in a foreign nation in the Middle East... your priority is the latter?

20 posted on 01/28/2006 9:55:10 AM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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