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Ready for $262/barrel oil?
yahoo ^ | 1-27-06

Posted on 01/27/2006 5:23:10 PM PST by LouAvul

DAVOS, Switzerland (FORTUNE) - Be afraid. Be very afraid.

That's the message from two of the world's most successful investors on the topic of high oil prices. One of them, Hermitage Capital's Bill Browder, has outlined six scenarios that could take oil up to a downright terrifying $262 a barrel.

The other, billionaire investor George Soros, wouldn't make any specific predictions about prices. But as a legendary commodities player, it's worth paying heed to the words of the man who once took on the Bank of England -- and won. "I'm very worried about the supply-demand balance, which is very tight," Soros says.

"U.S. power and influence has declined precipitously because of Iraq and the war on terror and that creates an incentive for anyone who wants to make trouble to go ahead and make it." As an example, Soros pointed to the regime in Iran, which is heading towards a confrontation with the West over its nuclear power program and doesn't show any signs of compromising. "Iran is on a collision course and I have a difficulty seeing how such a collision can be avoided," he says.

Another emboldened troublemaker is Russian president Vladimir Putin, Soros said, citing Putin's recent decision to briefly shut the supply of natural gas to Ukraine. The only bit of optimism Soros could offer was that the next 12 months would be most dangerous in terms of any price shocks, because beginning in 2007 he predicts new oil supplies will come online.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: arabs; bric; china; cis; coldwar2; communism; davos; energy; gasprices; gulfwariii; india; iraq; islamofascism; israel; kgb; libya; norigs; oil; oilembargo; opec; plentyoil; putinoil; russia; russianoil; saudiarabia; sco; soros; sovietunion; syria; terrorism; ussr; venezuela; waronterror; wot
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To: svcw

I've done #2 and #10.


41 posted on 01/27/2006 5:47:14 PM PST by Dallas59 ((“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party))
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To: caisson71
Won' do that much good; it'll take a hell of a lot of ANWAR's and coastlines to mitigate 500 million Chinese getting their first cars.
42 posted on 01/27/2006 5:48:00 PM PST by RedStateRocker
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To: LouAvul
$262

Not $250, not $300, not $275, but $262. How about $262.73?

43 posted on 01/27/2006 5:48:48 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Mulder
"Peak Oil will be here soon and may be the defining event of a generation."

A generation? Try the human race!

Cheap energy drives our world. If peak oil is fact, we shouldn't drill or use domestic oil. Instead we should use up everyone else's resources, and save ours for the tough times.
44 posted on 01/27/2006 5:49:32 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: svcw

Good one!
The worry of what is to come, takes way to much time.
I guess I am really lazy, it just takes to much energy.


45 posted on 01/27/2006 5:50:49 PM PST by roylene
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To: Non-Sequitur
Economies would collapse long before then, dropping the demand and the price

Economies would collapse, but demand would not drop.

Do you think China is going to be a chump and decide to stop industrialing because the price of oil goes up?

Do you think the rest of the world is going to starve while the US consumes 25% of the world's oil with 5% of the population?

They will go to war over it. And this country had better be prepared for it.

46 posted on 01/27/2006 5:50:58 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mkjessup
Before the United States allows oil to hit $262 a barrel, you will see total mobilization and a combined U.S./NATO occupation army moving into the Middle East for keeps.

Do you think the Chinese are going to sit on their hands during that?

47 posted on 01/27/2006 5:52:47 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mulder
They will go to war over it. And this country had better be prepared for it.

Just as important as preventing Iran from going nuclear would be the securing of the oil there so that China cannot get it. Deny our enemies fuel and they cannot do anything.

48 posted on 01/27/2006 5:53:18 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Stom ta jora Ahmadinejad)
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To: Mulder

No, but it is good reason to do so BEFORE China gains power projection capability.


49 posted on 01/27/2006 5:54:24 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Stom ta jora Ahmadinejad)
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To: Mulder
There just isn't that much there. We need to find an alternative to oil.

There are huge amounts of US Oil Shale and Canadian tar sands. Huge amounts. They cost more to refine because you have to cook the oil out of them. That's the reason they're basically untouched so far.

50 posted on 01/27/2006 5:54:53 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

Why not use nuclear reactor heat to cook them instead of hydrcarbon fuels?


51 posted on 01/27/2006 5:55:36 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Stom ta jora Ahmadinejad)
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To: babydoll22
We would change to alternate sources of energy before it ever reached this high.

It's not as easy as flicking a light switch. New technologies take years, even decades to implement, and you still need oil to make the solar cells or wind turbines or whatever.

Personally, I wish foriegn oil supplies would dry up tomorrow. We would be fine

You have no idea what you are talking about.

52 posted on 01/27/2006 5:56:38 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: caisson71

You will have to build more drilling rigs first, everything we got is already working.


53 posted on 01/27/2006 5:56:54 PM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: SoftballMominVA
...would this be true if oil were $89? $111 or $262? At some point, it becomes financially feasible and the price of oil from the Middle East becomes someone else's problem.

As Mulder said, it takes a lot of energy to dig up the shale, crush it, heat it and get the oil out. When you hear estimates like "$80 / barrel" for shale oil, keep in mind those are usually calculated using $40 / barrel mideast oil to build and fuel equipment and extract the shale oil. If mideast oil is $262, shale oil could cost $200 / barrel or $400 / barrel, or maybe only $100 / barrel.

54 posted on 01/27/2006 5:58:02 PM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: LouAvul

Maybe at $262 the Senate will see fit to drill ANWR...


55 posted on 01/27/2006 5:58:37 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: palmer

Nuclear reactor heat, which is usually wasted in condensors could be used to heat the shale. Or a dedicated heat exchanger just for shale oil extraction. Of course it would require a nuclear reactor but it would be much "cheaper" in terms of energy to get the oil from the shale.


56 posted on 01/27/2006 6:00:35 PM PST by Paul_Denton (Stom ta jora Ahmadinejad)
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To: bboop

What are you gonna drill with, there are no rigs available.


57 posted on 01/27/2006 6:00:58 PM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: All
A good primer on Peak Oil
58 posted on 01/27/2006 6:01:48 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: svcw
Stare at people through the tines of a fork and pretend they are in jail.

LOL! I like that one.

59 posted on 01/27/2006 6:01:54 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: Mulder
although it WILL become a political military one
60 posted on 01/27/2006 6:03:09 PM PST by LouAvul
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