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Is ID science or religion?
antievolution.org ^ | Prof. Phillip E. Johnson

Posted on 01/25/2006 9:27:55 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez

Prof. Johnson is considered to be the father of the Intelligent Design movement. What follows is known as The Wedge Strategy, authored by Johnson.

In the words of the recognized father of the ID movement...ID is religion.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: creationisminadress; crevolist; fakescience; goddooditamen; idjunkscience; intelligentdesign; pseudoscience
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To: WildHorseCrash
Why not? A squat cylinder is more consistent with the text than the actual shape of the earth is. A squat cylinder has two surface planes which are circles. An irregular oblate spheroid (the shape of the earth) has no such surfaces.

I took the time in the past to find a Hebrew word for sphere. There isn't one. There is a word for ball, but it also implies a child's plaything. In Hebrew, circle is the best word to desribe the earth.

121 posted on 01/26/2006 9:48:00 AM PST by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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To: tallhappy
"I don't think it is possible to say anything of disagreement to you without your thinking you've been insulted."

Really?

I don't think that you know how to say anything without it being a personal attack.

"Yes, LOL. Flew over the old boy's head. Some people aren't born with much brain power."

Goodbye.

122 posted on 01/26/2006 9:48:33 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Physicist
Because some people are attempting to teach it in schools.

Oh the horror.

Try to teach astrology in schools, and see what happens.

Astrology and all sorts of New Age nonsense is taught in schools.

As far as the analogy of astonomy to astrology and evolution to ID, it doesn't really hold up. Not to say that there is any merit to creation science or ID, just to point out it is a flawed analogy and using it just makes the person using it seem to be intellectually dishonest or dumb.

123 posted on 01/26/2006 9:48:42 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: conservative barking moonbat

Evolution is science.


124 posted on 01/26/2006 9:48:46 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: tallhappy
Astrology and all sorts of New Age nonsense is taught in schools.

References please.
125 posted on 01/26/2006 9:49:15 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: highball
Funny you should drag that insult out, since it is the creationists who elevate emotions over reason.

My point is you seem to be doing it as well.

126 posted on 01/26/2006 9:49:50 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

I didn't see the section on research and publication.

Did I just miss it?


127 posted on 01/26/2006 9:50:16 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: connectthedots
Evolutionists are closed minded when they reject out-of-hand any consideration of the existence of God.

Since the majority of those who accept evolution do not "reject out-of-hand any consideration of the existence of God" and in fact actually accept the existence of a deity, your comment is completely and totally irrelevant.
128 posted on 01/26/2006 9:50:20 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: bondserv
"What you are missing is the fact that men get things wrong."

Yet, you refuse to entertain the possibility of yourself being wrong in your interpretation of Scripture when it comes to Genesis.

Perhaps, you need to examine your own beliefs, they are quite contradictory.

129 posted on 01/26/2006 9:51:36 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I don't think that you know how to say anything without it being a personal attack.

You're hardly the first person to come to that conclusion about him.

130 posted on 01/26/2006 9:52:29 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Dimensio

Show us the partial differential equations.


131 posted on 01/26/2006 9:52:36 AM PST by conservative barking moonbat (1982 Light years from home)
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To: Dead Dog
Liberals have no problem clinging to unguided evolution. Does that make it athiest ( a religion).

No. You're comparing an argument based upon the religious attitudes of some people who accept evolution to an argument based upon the founding members of the ID movement. The two arguments are not comparable.
132 posted on 01/26/2006 9:53:54 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: conservative barking moonbat
Show us the partial differential equations.

What the hell is this supposed to mean?
133 posted on 01/26/2006 9:54:20 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: tallhappy
Astrology and all sorts of New Age nonsense is taught in schools.

Really? Where is astrology taught in public schools? I'd like to see some documentation. Somebody should put a stop to it, if that's true.

As far as the analogy of astonomy to astrology and evolution to ID, it doesn't really hold up.

How are they different?

134 posted on 01/26/2006 9:54:21 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist
How are they different?

They arn't.

135 posted on 01/26/2006 9:56:22 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You'll note I pinged you.

I wanted you to see that.

I have no idea why you'd be insulted by it unless it is true.

And why would you have not responded to the original post by a "friendly commenter" concerning how your comment rather made the point that crevos make.

Luis, nothing personal here, but you aren't the brightest bulb in the deck. (Hee hee, I love mixed metaphors).

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

136 posted on 01/26/2006 9:56:54 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Physicist
Astrology doesn't seek to address questions of astronomy or astrophysics. ID or creation science do seek to address the same questions evolutionary biology tries to address.
137 posted on 01/26/2006 9:58:20 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Dimensio

IT means YOU dont know what YOU'RE talking about.


138 posted on 01/26/2006 9:58:54 AM PST by conservative barking moonbat (1982 Light years from home)
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To: conservative barking moonbat
IT means YOU dont know what YOU'RE talking about.

Shameless cop-out. Thanks for admitting that you don't have a rational point to make. OTOH, if you really are interested in "partial differential equations" as applied to evolution, you could start here. I suspect that you won't look, though.
139 posted on 01/26/2006 10:02:03 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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Placemarker and link to The List-O-Links.
140 posted on 01/26/2006 10:03:01 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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