Henry VII's chapel found at Greenwich (England)

Telegraph ^ | January 25, 2006 | Nigel Reynolds

[dighton]

Edward VI was born at Hampton Court, on Oct. 12, 1537.

1539 portrait by Hans Holbein the Younger.

[lilylangtree]

Still remember the jingle about the wives of Henry VIII:

"Divorced, beheaded and died
Divorced, beheaded and alive."

[freema]

bookmark

[AnAmericanMother]

"Divorce, beheaded, and survived (him)."

(Catherine Parr is dead now.)

[SunkenCiv]

The excavators also discovered Henry VII's kitchen. The cook's name was Alistair.

[rimshot!]

[AaronInCarolina]

were any wives found?

Or at least any wives' parts?

[Willie Green]

Both weddings took place in the Palace of Placentia...
...probably as some historians believe, in a private room or closet...
"When Henry was married to Catherine of Aragon and Anne of Cleves in the first-floor closet...

?

Good grief... why would they get married in a closet?

[afraidfortherepublic]

Hmmmm. I wonder what's in the vault??? Or, WHO?

[Dumb_Ox]

Careful scratching away by a team of four archaeologists from the Museum of London has revealed the eastern walls of the chapel, a 10ft by 5ft section of floor made from black and white glazed tiles laid geometrically, and, beneath, a so-far unexplored vault.

Has Geraldo booked his tickets yet?

Some have speculated that Henry IV might have been canonized, had the break with Rome not occurred.

[printhead]

An unexplored vault? Better call Geraldo. Empty bottle ping coming your way.

[Publius6961]

BUMP!

[asp1]

" Or perhaps, the remains of the Little Princes, right under the floor, in Henry VII's old bedroom. "

Now that would be interesting. I think Richard had less to do with their death's than Henry did.

[bannie]

You're disgusting!

:-p

[Verginius Rufus]

Henry VII was the king of England when John Cabot discovered Newfoundland in 1497, giving England its first claim on North America. In a fit of unwonted generosity, Henry VII rewarded Cabot with 10 pounds.

[Ciexyz]

Poor John Cabot -- you only get 10 pounds when you're five years too late.

[SunkenCiv]

Definitely. The Parliament had issued the Titulus Regius spelling out the succession, which pushed aside the children in favor of Richard (on the basis that their father had been married before, albiet briefly, making the children illegitimate -- this was before Henry VIII's schism), who was not therefore a usurper, but the legitimate monarch. After Richard's murder by treachery on the battlefield, Henry VII had to get the Titulus Regius destroyed, and all were collected and burned, save one that was overlooked (hence its contents and existence is known). He did this in order to marry the sister of the Little Princes so that he'd have a claim to the throne that would hold up; but by relegitimizing the princess, the Little Princes suddenly became the legitimate heirs of Richard III's late elder brother and predecessor. So, he had them disappear, pinned it on Richard III...

[rdl6989]

You're reading my mind, not that it's complicated reading material. LOL.

[asp1]

Indeed. Have you ever heard of the Richard the Third Society? It is an organization dedicated to clearing Richard's name of the scurrilous charges made against him. In 1985, the Society was able to have an official funeral mass said for Richard marking the 500th anniversary of his death. Everything ever written about Richard prior to Henry's ascension to the throne indicated that Richard was a man of honor and integrity. He was not interested in court life, or the power and intrigue that went with it.

One other thing, Sir Thomas More while employed by Cardinal Morton, was commissioned by the Cardinal to write a history of Richard's reign and eventual overthrow by Henry VII. Of course Morton expected that Sir Thomas would tow the party line and give a glowing account of how Henry defeated the evil Richard on the battle field and saved England from his tyranny. The manuscript was never published by More. More was a trusted member of Morton's household and probably knew a great deal about the events unfolding in England at the time. Being a man of indisputable integrity, More could not put his name to such rubbish.

[3AngelaD]

Daughter of Time, by Josephine Tey. Excellent book. Makes the case that Richard III was maligned.The lady did not think highly of the Tudors. Oh, and the Princes' bones were found in a staircase in the Tower, not in Greenwich.

[asp1]

One of my favorite books. I don't believe that the bones found at the Tower were ever examined for DNA. Were they the Princes? Probably, but it still doesn't answer the question: Who was responsible for their deaths? I believe that Henry VII had more to gain from the deaths of his brothers-in-law than Richard had.