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1 posted on 01/24/2006 11:41:50 AM PST by presidio9
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A doctor examined her

And, didn't SAY A FRIG'N THING!Not ONE WORD!

2 posted on 01/24/2006 11:43:26 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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The heck with 25 years, shot them within 1 hour of conviction.
3 posted on 01/24/2006 11:43:35 AM PST by msnimje (http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/shared-blogs/ajc/luckovich/index.html . FREEP THIS HOURLY!)
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Cohen is simply wrong. A pervert or child abuser in prison for life will never again abuse a kid. That's enough deterrent right there to ensure passage of the increase in sentencing.


5 posted on 01/24/2006 11:45:38 AM PST by JeeperFreeper
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Cohen should test his "not a deterrent" theory by proposing a compromise: Let the current law remain in effect for killings occurring on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. A less-harsh penalty will apply for killings on Tuesdays, Thursdays and weekends. If there's really NO deterrence, none at all, we won't see any difference after the amendment, will we?


6 posted on 01/24/2006 11:46:08 AM PST by pogo101
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"It seems some people go into politics just before they go totally brain dead."

What's even more certain, Mr. Cohen, is that most liberal journalists were "brain dead" even before they went into journalism....
7 posted on 01/24/2006 11:47:13 AM PST by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
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The author is correct that this change won't deter many killers.

But that doesn't necessarily make it a bad idea.


10 posted on 01/24/2006 11:49:50 AM PST by Restorer
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What really needs to be done is boringly bureaucratic, achingly administrative - a winching of the system so it is taut, closing the cracks through which Nixzmary slipped and was lost forever. Politicians know this, but it is easy to propose stupid laws and difficult to improve a system. There's votes and acclaim in the former, little of either in the latter.

Bears repeating.

11 posted on 01/24/2006 11:51:19 AM PST by Restorer
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What a twit the author is! Using his reasoning, no punishment should be administered because the threat of punishment doesn't deter the perps. Just do away with all laws and prisons and let the bad guys run rampant.

Hmmm, sounds almost like the Dims' and MSM's take on how we ought to not fight the WOT.

12 posted on 01/24/2006 11:53:37 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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well, his point about "tightening up the system administratively" translates into - child protection services is going to take kids away on a hair trigger. of course in the case of this poor girl, it would have been the right thing to do. But several years ago in NYC, the unthinkable happened in reverse - a child taken away from a mother, was killed by her foster mother and grandmother. imagine that horror, your parental right is taken away, and your child is removed and placed into the hands of foster parents who kill her.

my point is simply, there is a dangerous line here, its easy to say "take the kids away faster" - but we all know government is messed up, and will make many mistakes implementing such a policy, and some of those will also have deadly results.

if NY had a death penalty, this would be the time to use it.


16 posted on 01/24/2006 11:58:54 AM PST by oceanview
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Isn't justice for the victim important also?


19 posted on 01/24/2006 12:04:51 PM PST by najida (Purgeing the world of literacy, one typo at a time.)
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"Envision an enraged parent or some other custodian of a child (the sort of person the law has in mind) who is abusing his or her ward and, while in the throes of a homicidal rage, pauses before delivering the fatal blow to consider the penalty."

Even if it saves the life of ONE innocent child, its worth it in my book.

Besides, our legal system seems to have totally divorced itself from any concepts of "justice". Its now about "rehabilitation" and "law" and "due process".

A legal system's primary objective should be Justice, and in this ours has totally failed. Where is there justice in permitting a killer to continue enjoying the gift of life when he/she has needlessly taken that gift from another? Who speaks for the dead victim in the Courts of Justice? The Prosecutor? Hardly. He represents the law which all too often is totally diosconnected from any concept of justice.

Justice demands that people who kill without justifiable reason, especially victims who are powerless to protect themselves, like little children, should forfiet their lives.

Its the only just process.


22 posted on 01/24/2006 12:09:40 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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If anything can deter this kind of crime, it is only the knowledge that this kind of crime meets with swift, harsh punishment.

US Punishment is neither swift, nor harsh. As mad as I was while reading about this poor girl, I could not help thinking that this was only the most recent, not the last, time I would have to hear about it.

There will continue to be Nixmary Brown's and Lisa Steinberg's until the strength of the threat of punishment outweighs the want to commit the crime.


25 posted on 01/24/2006 12:15:38 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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Child Welfare systems are civil service jobs. ALL civil services are a mess. Child Welfare should be made private enterprise. A Dream, I know, but...


27 posted on 01/24/2006 12:16:16 PM PST by kitkat
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IT'S ABOUT PUNISHMENT!


39 posted on 01/24/2006 12:45:50 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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Laws which have different penalties for the same crime committed against different classes of people are exactly what the authors of the 14th Amendment sought to prevent.

It is simply amazing to me to see people here and everywhere embrace this nonsense.

ML/NJ

41 posted on 01/24/2006 12:51:10 PM PST by ml/nj
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Winston Moseley was eventually arrested for the murder and was given a life sentence. In 1968, he escaped custody while being moved to a hospital for surgery. What did he promptly do? He took five people hostage and raped a woman in front of her husband. Whatever he was thinking - if thinking can possibly be the right word - it was not about deterrence.

He actually makes a pretty good argument for the death penalty.

42 posted on 01/24/2006 12:53:56 PM PST by sportutegrl (People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
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Is this equal justice under the law? A kid's life is automatically more valuable than an adult's life? At what age does a person's life lose value and therefore only constitute a normal murder sentence from a killer?


43 posted on 01/24/2006 12:53:59 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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Typical knee jerk reaction from the libs, "pass a new law!"


46 posted on 01/24/2006 12:56:44 PM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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