Posted on 01/24/2006 11:41:49 AM PST by presidio9
It is simply amazing to me to see people here and everywhere embrace this nonsense.
ML/NJ
He actually makes a pretty good argument for the death penalty.
Is this equal justice under the law? A kid's life is automatically more valuable than an adult's life? At what age does a person's life lose value and therefore only constitute a normal murder sentence from a killer?
Exactly. If this law is to be constitutional, it has to be applied equally to everyone.
these kinds of laws are on the books everywhere - for a wide range of offenses - I don't see any successful 14th amendment challenges to them anywhere.
Typical knee jerk reaction from the libs, "pass a new law!"
in NY, first degree murder only applies to the killing of a police officer. if the 14th amendment was as you claim, I am sure some NY lawyer defending a cop killer over these past years would have gotten some court to agree - so far, they haven't, so my guess is that your interpretation of the 14th is incorrect.
Yes. Additionally kids are awarded special protection because they can't protect themselves. Additionally, the crime is more heinous because the perpetrator is a parent.
My interpretation is correct. The fact is, there are a lot of unconstitutional laws on the books. Hate crime legislation comes to mind.
So your life's value is directly correlated to your ability to defend yourself? Interesting theory.
What journalists like Cohen cannot accept, however, is that this society is totally incapable of dealing with incidents like this -- because "dealing with it" would require us to do things that "civilized people" would consider utterly unacceptable. Anything short of tossing these mutants (and I include the girls step-father and mother in this case) through a wood-chipper within ten minutes of their conviction in a court of law is a waste of time.
Well, obviously not in this society. We legally kill off 2mm of our most helpless individuals every year.
Works for me!
I had not heard that quote, but gosh it makes sense!
state hate crime laws have been upheld, so long as they mainly regulate conduct already criminalized at the state level, and do not criminalize speech alone. so have these kinds of "uplifts" on sentences for acts which are already crimes at the state level.
So your life's value is directly correlated to your ability to defend yourself? Interesting theory.
When a bound captive has been tortured over a period of time and slowly killed, shouldn't the murderer face just a a weensy bit of extra punishment?
And this is more fallout from the so called sexual revolution that implied it was ok for women to have multiple partners and have babies without getting married--this "mother" had six kids from different fathers; the step-father who killed Nixzmary had fathered only two of her children.
The jury should have the option of the death penalty. That's as extra as you can get.
Do we need to go back to the old days when such cases were prosecuted under animal cruelty laws? You can get people whipped up about starving a dog to death, so why not a child? In the end, it is the the judges that order these children back home to monsters. It behooves everyone, including the relatives, to expose the monsters and protect the children at all costs. If a child is murdered by someone in her/his own family, excuses are made about "parenting problems" that can be solved by counseling, education, and other ideas that don't work for severe abusers.
I say take these monsters out of society either by lethal injection or life sentences with no parole and let the prison population take care of them - they should never be a threat to any child ever again. Anything less is State-sanctioned child abuse/murder. You shouldn't get a second chance to kill your kid. That would send a message, I think, and would be a deterrent if actually implemented.
Life in prison?
Naw, too cruel.
Treat such criminals as we do the disabled....give them a "beautiful death with dignity" (starvation/die of thirst).
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