Posted on 01/24/2006 8:11:11 AM PST by Jhohanna
It's the American dream -- buying a home for your family. And now you don't have to be in the country legally to own one.
Wells Fargo is first major California lender to offer home loans to illegal immigrants, 10News reported.
"We're not required to ask the immigration status of any of our customers. That is the responsibility of the federal government," Wells Fargo bank representative Jerry Ruiz said.
The program is called "Celebrate Home" and Wells Fargo says it complies with all federal regulations, 10News reported.
Applicants do need a tax identification number issued by the Internal Revenue Service for people who do not have Social Security numbers.
Ruiz said the program is targeted to Wells Fargo customers who have been an account holder for at least six months and who can show proof of residency for two years in the United States -- along with proof that they have filed and reported income taxes using an individual taxpayer identification number.
There are an estimated 10 to 12 million illegal workers in the United States.
Critics say even though the program is legal, it sends the wrong message.
"Any time you have a bank institution lending money to help people buy homes when they're not even allowed to be in the country, it is something that runs contrary to the law. It aids and abets people who are breaking the law," said Ira Melman of the Federation of Immigration Reform.
A bill is being introduced in Congress that would make it illegal to issue loans to illegal immigrants, according to 10News.
"WE don't need no stinkin' Lilly-Whites...or Legal Immigration or Valid I'D.s...or VALID Social Security Numbers! We Got Uncle Sucker footin' the Bill! Andele to Mexifornia...Vamonos!"
UM...you DO know that Banks are supposed to use your Soc. Sec. number...hence Illegals either are providing stolen numbers, or are providing fraudulent numbers...both are against the Law!
But that's OK, as long as it's your precious "Lettuce Pickers"! They can violate ANY Law, as long as it benefits OBL-ers!
I have no idea who "bayourod" is, but in case you missed my previous post to you: "Changing politicians will not amend "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." That would take another Constitutional Convention or 2/3 of both Houses of Congress to propose and 3/4 State Legislatures to ratify."
Do you agree with that legal process, or not?
My response is based on the economic decision Wells Fargo made about any money they lose from you will be more than made up from new business gained - unless you are going to accuse Wells Fargo of being "racist" too now. Wells Fargo says they are complying with every federal guideline - please prove otherwise.
Nice picture - now can you answer my questions: "Is any of what Wells Fargo doing currently illegal?" If not "what part of ex post facto laws don't you understand?"
You can quote it all day long, but you support it's Violation every time you cry bitter tears for ILLEGAL INFILTRATORS!
See, these laws are for AMERICAN CITIZENS....NOT ILLEGAL INFILTRATORS!
See, Equal Protection does not mean that ILLEGALS are Citizens! It means that no one here travelling or visiting (This would cover ILLEGAL INFILTRATORS...they are visiting here ILLEGALLY) et al are not protected under law...they are not granted Ciitizenship!
But thanks for playing!
Ruiz said the program is targeted to Wells Fargo customers who have been an account holder for at least six months and who can show proof of residency for two years in the United States -- along with proof that they have filed and reported income taxes using an individual taxpayer identification number.<<
Exactly why would you prove "residency" when you are not a legal resident. The whole program appears to be on solid quicksand.
Of course, I am not saying that illegal aliens are U.S. CITIZENS under the 14th Amendment - their children "born in the United States" are however - and please note that "equal protection / depriving of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" applies to all PERSONS, legal citizens or not. Do you have a question for me somewhere in all of that?
Unfortunately for you, that one little word, 'AND', destroys your entire stupid argument. Illegal aliens are NOT 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the U.S. Sorry.
I've bolded it so dolts like you can understand.
Not that I expect you to admit you're wrong...
That was not the only question I asked, but good try. I was thinking more "treason" as in the legal definition - as in Wells Fargo is NOT violating any principles and laws of the United States - my mother became a U.S. citizen after 20 years of legal visa (not sure if that's a greencard or what exact paperwork). What about your mother?
I'd be happy to not have to pay $550k for a crackerjack townhome that sways in the wind. :( It's outrageous. Honestly. You *have* to become vastly wealthy to own a home these days. *feh*
As B$Ranch posted...
Applicants do need a tax identification number issued by the Internal Revenue Service for people who do not have Social Security numbers.
So, how does one get a Tax ID?
Ruiz said the program is targeted to Wells Fargo customers who have been an account holder for at least six months and who can show proof of residency for two years in the United States -- along with proof that they have filed and reported income taxes using an individual taxpayer identification number.<<
So...an Illegal Infiltrator is here paying Taxes? LOL! What Soc. Sec. number are they using? Is it valid? This tax ID...how does an ILLEGAL get approval from the US Gub'Mint to BE HERE ILLEGALLY, as long as they are paying taxes...is THAT what you are saying?
And how does an Illegal have "Residency"? How did they get the OK to rent a "residence" if they are here Illegally
So, if all aspects of their presence in America is Illegal...how does an Illegal get a loan to BUY AMERICAN property, that is secured by the AMERICAN PEOPLE thru FDIC and any/all Gub'Mint programs that cover/bail out these industries?
So yes, it IS illegal, because the Illegal is here Illegally, and has committed fraud/identity theft in order to maintain themselves in America.
Bonus question...can I buy any property in Mexico today?
I undersdtand what you don't. If you are not against illegal immigration then you are for it. You can sit there and type until your fingers bleed but the fact will remain that you are for illegal immigration and every law that isn't enforced to bring the invasion to a halt is of no concern to you.
The last thing you should ever call yourself is a Patriot.
Have you ever read Mark Twains comment, "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it."
You are supporting the globalist government that currently rules, not in the least concerned with the future of your country. If and I know it's a big if, but if there ever is a citizens uprising, don't attempt to change sides and support your country because I feel quite certain that your neighbors already have you listed as a traitor to freedom.
If they are NOT subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, then you've got a bigger problem than I thought deporting them - LOL - that was for children born to foreign diplomats who, in fact, are not subject to U.S. jurisdiction. Why don't you check with Dept. of Homeland Security and I.C.E. for their opinion of whether illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Number one, you're attempting to drag me into an argument which YOU brought up, and incidentily has nothing to do with my original post which was to another poster.
I don't think there is a need to change the Constitution. I do think there is a need to throw out the current crop of politicians who don't give a whittle about what they are doing to this country and are not upholding their Constitutional duty of protecting us from an invasion, which is what this is.
Arguing with you is a waste of my time, but you serve some purpose here by keeping the thread bumped and getting your arguments shot down for all to see, as has happened to many a Quisling on these threads many, many, times before.
Do you see my tagline? Paste it into your browser and follow the directions, because that is my about all I have left to say to you.
Of course, I am not saying that illegal aliens are U.S. CITIZENS under the 14th Amendment - their children "born in the United States" are however - and please note that "equal protection / depriving of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" applies to all PERSONS, legal citizens or not. Do you have a question for me somewhere in all of that?
Fine we keep the children and kick out their parents if they choose to leave them here that is up to them. I am sure we will find homes for them. Now vamoose the illegals. I do not beleive it was the intent of Congress to grant citizenship to the children of infiltrators and invaders. I do think that the Supremes will be taking this one up in the near future. Everyone knows that this can't go on like it has. Even Bush. You can bet Alito will have an opinion on it.
Post 72 was intended for B4Ranch...Branch was mistakenly pinged to it.
My apologies to both
Just like everything else. Hell, we pay for their kids, their healthcare and their country, why not their homes too? /sarc
GOOD FOR YOU! :D *beam*
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