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Deny the Designer, Save "Science"
http://www.spectator.org ^ | 1/23/2006 12:06:59 AM | P. David Hornik

Posted on 01/22/2006 10:08:10 PM PST by Para-Ord.45

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1 posted on 01/22/2006 10:08:11 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

It is actually quite entertaining to hear the atheists go on about how ID is a theory but Evolution is a fact. LOL.


2 posted on 01/22/2006 10:12:57 PM PST by wastoute
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To: Para-Ord.45
Great article Para-Ord, reflects my thinking on this issue.

Wish I had/could have written it.

Wolf
3 posted on 01/22/2006 10:14:08 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

bump...


4 posted on 01/22/2006 10:15:50 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Para-Ord.45

Alloy P-12 BUMP


5 posted on 01/22/2006 10:19:56 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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You CANNOT prove that humans evolved from monkies. Observations INDICATE, but the evidence is still lacking.

Evolution is a THEORY.

You cannot prove the existence of god. You cannot prove that god created all life on earth.

ID is a THEORY.

Scientists are SUPPOSED to be open to all possibilities.

BTW - Atheism IS a religion. Just because they deny divinity that doesn't make it any less of a life philosophy. Scary as it is, because it's not considered a religion, it is taught in our schools....:(:(:(


6 posted on 01/22/2006 10:22:21 PM PST by Tzimisce
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"It is, after all, a "naturalistic" explanation, hence true, hence science."

Bingo! Science is defined as naturalism, therefore, any evidence of Intelligent Design will never be science. Conversly, any lack of evidence of a naturalistic explanation for phenomena just means that the evidence has not been produced yet but someday will. What a great deal for Atheists!

Too bad their house of cards if falling apart anyway...oh well....


7 posted on 01/22/2006 10:23:18 PM PST by fizziwig
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To: PatrickHenry

*PING*


8 posted on 01/22/2006 10:24:44 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Para-Ord.45
Twenty years ago, you didn't hear about this sort of thing. Now you do -- because, as often happens, a scientific theory, in this case evolution, is coming under challenge, and a different paradigm, in this case ID, is arising in its place. Of course, not all the scientists who doubt evolution accept ID. But many of them do, and they do so on the basis of scientific research.

Well, "to put aside hints and speak plainly," as Galileo said, this is a lie, and a damned lie at that. ID is a religiously motivated political movement, and not a scientific theory.

I say this in full sympathy for the motivations behind it, namely the desire for free expression and the free exercise of religion, in the form promulgation of belief, in this particular case. But still, "facts are just facts and you can't have opinions about facts," as Peter Schickele said.

9 posted on 01/22/2006 10:31:14 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: fizziwig
That is the circular essence in atheist 'logic' that they cannot see.

BTW now that PH has been 'pinged', look for a whole load of bile to come down on the thread.

Wolf
10 posted on 01/22/2006 10:40:11 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: wastoute
It is actually quite entertaining to hear the atheists go on about how ID is a theory but Evolution is a fact.

I'm a deist...not an atheist.

Evolution is a scientific theory.

ID is a faith-based belief.

FSM is a similar faith-based belief.

Neither ID nor FSM is a scientific theory.

 

11 posted on 01/22/2006 10:45:10 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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Evolution, itself, is actually very clever. The natural variability among species allows life to change to meet new environmental challenges. No species is static, random mutations will occur. If the mutations are favorable the individuals carrying those mutations will be favored for reproduction.


12 posted on 01/22/2006 10:46:35 PM PST by punster
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To: RunningWolf; PatrickHenry
BTW now that PH has been 'pinged', look for a whole load of bile to come down on the thread.

Bile? Any evidence to support that...or just a faith-based belief?

13 posted on 01/22/2006 10:50:06 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: punster
Evolution, itself, is actually very clever.

That's nothing! How about the stability of the proton? Now that's clever!

14 posted on 01/22/2006 11:01:50 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Para-Ord.45

Bookmarking for daytime reading.


15 posted on 01/22/2006 11:07:25 PM PST by Nomorjer Kinov (- .... . / -.. . -- --- -.-. .-. .- - / .--. .- .-. - -.-- / .. ... / .- / -.-. .... .. .-.. .-)
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This curious Court order disallowing the teaching of Intelligent Design as an alternative to the cheasy science called 'evolution' actually represents the criminalization of religion, particularly Christianity.

Christianity becomes more and more criminalized and oppressed with each passing year in America, from banishing public display of the Creche, prayer and the Ten Commandments to forcing Christian pharmacists and Catholic hospitals to dispense abortifacient chemicals under penalty of being fired, fined or other sanctions. Our Christian belief that the practicing of homosexual perversion is a great evil has become a "hate crime" if we dare speak out publicly about these beliefs. And it certainly doesn't end with these few items I've listed.

There's also the anti-6th Commandment/ anti-Christian laws that allow doctors to help destroy certain patients who are ill and feel desperate. (Many of these patients are not elderly or terminally ill, they are simply depressed and feel like they want to die). Then we have cases like Terri Schiavo where a Court actually ordered her to die by starvation, and threatened everyone with arrest who would attempt to give her a drink of water. They did in fact arrest a loving soul who tried to give her a drink of water.

All these terrible things are the definition of blatant religious criminalization and oppression. I don't think we're very far away from an oppression which will be much worse than we have today. That's the clear direction we are headed in.

16 posted on 01/22/2006 11:11:05 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: Para-Ord.45
This curious Court order disallowing the teaching of Intelligent Design as an alternative to the cheasy science called 'evolution' actually represents the criminalization of religion, particularly Christianity.

Christianity becomes more and more criminalized and oppressed with each passing year in America, from banishing public display of the Creche, prayer and the Ten Commandments to forcing Christian pharmacists and Catholic hospitals to dispense abortifacient chemicals under penalty of being fired, fined or other sanctions. Our Christian belief that the practicing of homosexual perversion is a great evil has become a "hate crime" if we dare speak out publicly about these beliefs. And it certainly doesn't end with these few items I've listed.

There's also the anti-6th Commandment/ anti-Christian laws that allow doctors to help destroy certain patients who are ill and feel desperate. (Many of these patients are not elderly or terminally ill, they are simply depressed and feel like they want to die). Then we have cases like Terri Schiavo where a Court actually ordered her to die by starvation, and threatened everyone with arrest who would attempt to give her a drink of water. They did in fact arrest a loving soul who tried to give her a drink of water.

All these terrible things are the definition of blatant religious criminalization and oppression. I don't think we're very far away from an oppression which will be much worse than we have today. That's the clear direction we are headed in.

17 posted on 01/22/2006 11:11:05 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: wastoute
"The fossil record does not actually indicate that species evolved into other species, and evidence of the necessary transitional species has not been found, but we assume that those species did exist because our theory requires it" -- this, of course, is science."

Sounds more like religion to me. It's quite pathetic that lawyers and judges now determine what is science and what is not.

The "fossil record", for the most part was created at one specific period of time, which supports catastrophic event theory (real science with much more scientific support than evolution religion).
There never will be a fossil record showing transitional forms, because none existed at the time the fossil record was created, no did they ever.

The fossil "record" isn't being continuosly created today, because these creatures decay and or are eaten by scavengers before sufficient material can cover them to create a fossil.

Here's an intresting book for those who are tired of the far-fetched evolutionist gospel. fountains of the deep

Evolutionists are like muslims, no matter how much proof you present to them proving their prophet was the furtherst thing from one, they still refuse to accept the facts.

18 posted on 01/22/2006 11:21:34 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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"ID is a religiously motivated political movement, and not a scientific theory."

So what about it? The very founding of the United States of America was also a "religiously motivated, political movement", that declared to the King of England that we have GOD GIVEN, INALIENABLE RIGHTS that supercede the Crown's rule of religious oppression and government tyranny.

If not for that deep religious ideology that permeated the souls of America's first Pilgrims and most of the authors of the Declaration of Independence, the Darwinists, (who themselves are a political, anti-religious movement), would assuredly have something far worse to suffer than some Christian parents who don't want their children being taught the direct opposite of what their religion teaches them.

Darwinism, the flimsiest of all modern 'sciences', is nothing other than a subversive cult engaged in the fine art of destroying the Christian faith. People are finally beginning to realize this, and Charles Darwin's 'evolution' will soon be rotting in the grave along with its Christian-bashing, Bible-hating founder.

19 posted on 01/22/2006 11:31:23 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

There is another reason Evolution is so protected. The Progressive Movements intellectual political ideology is based on it. I've just been reading about this and now I know the rest of the story. Evolution is much more that science. It has spawned a world view that involves political thinking, morality or lack of, relativism, marxism, eugenics, euthanasia,abortion,child sex liberation, environmentalism and atheism. Just to name a few.


20 posted on 01/22/2006 11:33:07 PM PST by therut
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