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Atheist: Prove Jesus existed
News24 (South Africa) ^ | 22 January 2006 | News24

Posted on 01/22/2006 3:10:37 PM PST by Cornpone

Rome - Lawyers for a small-town parish priest have been ordered to appear in court next week after the Roman Catholic cleric was accused of unlawfully asserting what many people take for granted: that Jesus Christ existed.

The Reverend Enrico Righi was named in a 2002 complaint filed by Luigi Cascioli after Righi wrote in a parish bulletin that Jesus did indeed exist, and that he was born of a couple named Mary and Joseph in Bethlehem and lived in Nazareth.

Cascioli, a lifelong atheist, claims that Righi violated two Italian laws by making the assertion: so-called "abuse of popular belief" in which someone fraudulently deceives people; and "impersonation" in which someone gains by attributing a false name to someone.

Cascioli says that for 2 000 years the Roman Catholic Church has been deceiving people by furthering the fable that Christ existed, and says the church has been gaining financially by "impersonating" as Christ someone by the name of John of Gamala, the son of Judas from Gamala.

Gospels 'full of errors'

He also asserts that the Gospels - the most frequently cited testimony of Jesus' existence - are inconsistent, full of errors and biased, and that other written evidence from the time is scant and doesn't hold up to scholarly analysis.

Prosecutors, who in Italy are obliged to investigate such complaints, initially tried to have the case dismissed, saying no crime could be verified.

But Cascioli challenged them, and Judge Gaetano Mautone set a hearing for next Friday in Viterbo, north of Rome, to discuss preliminary motions in Cascioli's bid to have the court appoint technical experts to review the historical data and determine if Jesus really did exist.

Cascioli, 72, said in a recent interview that he decided to pursue the case against Righi, a priest in the village of Bagnoregio, near Viterbo, because the cleric had written in the parish bulletin that Jesus existed.

Cascioli is quick to stress that he has no problem with Christians freely professing their faith.

Righi argues that the existence of Christ is "unmistakable" because of the substantial historical evidence - both pagan and religious - testifying that he indeed lived.

"Cascioli maintains that Christ never existed. If he doesn't see the sun at midday, he can't denounce me just because I do.

"He should denounce all believers!" Righi wrote.

Born 'against Christ'

Cascioli says he fully recognises that his case has a slim chance of succeeding in overwhelmingly Catholic Italy, but not because his argument is lacking.

"We aren't optimistic - unless the Madonna makes a miracle, but I don't think that will happen," he joked.

Cascioli says he is merely going through the necessary legal steps in Italy so he can ultimately take the matter to the European Court of Human Rights, where he intends to pursue the case against the church for "religious racism".

"I was born against Christ and God," he said.

"I'm doing it (the complaint) now because I should do it before I die."


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: italy; jesus; postedtowrongforum
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1 posted on 01/22/2006 3:10:38 PM PST by Cornpone
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To: Cornpone

To Atheist: prove Jesus didn't exist.


2 posted on 01/22/2006 3:12:50 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: Cornpone

What I don't understand about some athiests, is that if they don't believe Jesus existed, why make such a fuss over some one, that in there mind , never lived?

Jeff


3 posted on 01/22/2006 3:13:36 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: Cornpone
"I'm doing it (the complaint) now because I should do it before I die."

Then he will stand before a REAL Judge and he will not have a prayer. Sad. Truly sad. He had the opportunity and decided to stand on his own laurels.

4 posted on 01/22/2006 3:14:35 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Cornpone

Has Italy imported the ACLU?


5 posted on 01/22/2006 3:16:01 PM PST by boomop1
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To: mosquewatch.com

Because there is really no such thing as an atheist. All humans have a spiritual make-up and a lot of so-called atheists "protest too much", IMHO.


6 posted on 01/22/2006 3:16:56 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: Cornpone
"I was born against Christ and God," he said.

Well, you can't be against something that doesn't exist, so, with the defendant's own words, case closed.

7 posted on 01/22/2006 3:16:57 PM PST by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; AZhardliner; ...
*ping*


8 posted on 01/22/2006 3:16:57 PM PST by sheltonmac (QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES)
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To: Cornpone

Italy has a Michael Newdow, it appears. Well, that proves the US doesn't have exclusive rights to horses' asses who can file a court action.


9 posted on 01/22/2006 3:17:57 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: mlc9852

That's a good point, but again what I don't understand is, they are protesting over something that they believe doesn't exist lol. They confuse the hell outta me.


10 posted on 01/22/2006 3:19:31 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside

I'm an atheist, and I don't get this. It's these types of things, and what that idiot Newdow did, that gives atheists a bad name. What does it matter to this guy if Jesus ever existed or not? You have your belief, that he didn't exist, the priest believes he did. STFU, and mind your business.


11 posted on 01/22/2006 3:19:47 PM PST by the tongue
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To: Cornpone

How can this clown be born against something he says doesn't exist?


12 posted on 01/22/2006 3:20:08 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: Cornpone

You can't prove that Aristotle didn't exist. The only evidence is the writings of his student Plato. Aristotle may, in fact, be a literary device of Plato, just like Atlantis.


13 posted on 01/22/2006 3:20:35 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: Cornpone

I always thought his existence was pretty much universally accepted, and the only thing open to debate was his divine nature.


14 posted on 01/22/2006 3:21:58 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: Cornpone

To Atheists: What year is it, all over the world?


15 posted on 01/22/2006 3:22:12 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: taxesareforever

***"I'm doing it (the complaint) now because I should do it before I die."****

Why dont you just die now and save Italy a few bucks on a Wild Goose Chase.


16 posted on 01/22/2006 3:22:30 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Cornpone

The ACLU will now probably take up this argument.


18 posted on 01/22/2006 3:23:01 PM PST by RAY
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To: Cornpone
I always wonder why atheists care.

By the very definition they deny the existence of God,so why fight against something that doesn't exist?

This is a rhetorical question.

19 posted on 01/22/2006 3:23:19 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: F15Eagle

Yes, they have a bigger agenda.


20 posted on 01/22/2006 3:25:27 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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