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JAG temporarily banned Army and Marine Corps snipers from using a highly accurate open-tip bullet.
Washington Times ^
| Jan 20, 2006
| Bill Gertz, Rowan Scarborough
Posted on 01/22/2006 2:35:38 PM PST by radar101
JAG, we are told, mistakenly thought the open-tip round was the same as hollow-point ammunition, which is banned. The original open-tip was known as Sierra MatchKing and broke all records for accuracy in the past 30 years. The difference between the open-tip and the hollow point is that the open tip is a design feature that improves accuracy while the hollow point is designed for increasing damage when it hits a target. About 10 days ago, the Army JAG in Iraq ordered all snipers to stop using the open-tip 175-grain M118LR bullet, claiming, falsely, it was prohibited. Instead of the open-tip, snipers were forced to take M-60 machine gun rounds out of belts and use them instead.
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ammo; ammunition; anamericansoldier; armysnipers; bang; banglist; gertz; hollowpoints; iraq; jag; leagalweenies; legalweenies; military; oif; rowanscarborough; shakespearewasright; shysters; sniper; terrorwar; thanksjagoff; waronterror
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To: radar101
Our snipers should be using napalm from 2000 feet
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posted on
01/22/2006 2:54:04 PM PST
by
Porterville
(Keep your communism off my paycheck)
To: radar101
Again, the buck has to stop somewhere. Who was untimately responsible for this ignorant stupid ruling?
I want to know a name, and the date of his or her discharge or firing!
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posted on
01/22/2006 2:54:46 PM PST
by
Publius6961
(The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
To: neodad
I don't care about this, as long as no panties were used in the process.The only panties were on the JAG.
To: Sir Gawain
Hollow points were banned by a Geneva Convention treaty long ago because of the damage they cause. Sharp edged bayonets are banned for the same reason they can have a sharp point but the edge must be blunt. Fortunately the bayonet issue is known by few people so that issue doesnt come up.
I personally think the hollow point is more humane let the guy bleed out instead of suffering.
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posted on
01/22/2006 2:58:35 PM PST
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: SC Swamp Fox
The sniper lost his job over a security infraction in reporting the JAG.Now, if only someone would share the name of the JAG with us...
Isn't this a truly qualified case of "whistleblowing" being punished?
There in clearly no classified material involved...
Just criminal incompetence.
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posted on
01/22/2006 2:58:48 PM PST
by
Publius6961
(The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
To: radar101
"She forced snipers to use less accurate ammunition, thereby placing U.S. forces and Iraqi civilians at greater risk," a Pentagon official said of the JAG, who was not identified by name. "And she incorrectly issued an order. JAGs may advise a commander, but they cannot issue orders."
After Army lawyers were finally alerted to the JAG's action, the order was lifted and the JAG was notified that the open tip was perfectly legal for use by snipers. However, the reversal was followed by the Army officials' taking retaliation against a sniper who blew the whistle on the bogus order. The sniper lost his job over a security infraction in reporting the JAG
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posted on
01/22/2006 2:59:56 PM PST
by
stylin19a
(God does not apply to your alloted time, the hours spent playing golf.)
To: Publius6961
We want a name and to make sure she goes into promoting abortion, where she belongs!
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posted on
01/22/2006 3:00:27 PM PST
by
Publius6961
(The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
To: Publius6961
According to the article "she" gave the (illegal) order. They fired the whistle blower. How about restating him and firing her for exceeding her authority. Not to mention for incompetence, you'd expect a JAG to know the rules on who can and who cannot issue orders!
To: radar101
The M118LR bullet is so accurate, it can remove your ear at 1500 meters. The M60 hollow point, on the other hand, is not as accurate but will remove your head along with your ear.
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posted on
01/22/2006 3:05:32 PM PST
by
RTINSC
(There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
To: Publius6961
"..Again, the buck has to stop somewhere. Who was untimately responsible for this ignorant stupid ruling? I want to know a name, and the date of his or her discharge or firing!.." The scuttlebutt is that it was Al Gore. You see, he invented the open point round, as well as the sniper scope, and is upset about not receiving royalties because of some silly technicality about verifying the patent.
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posted on
01/22/2006 3:05:56 PM PST
by
pickrell
(Old dog, new trick...sort of)
To: elkfersupper
"Don't Ask, Don't Tell"(IIRC)
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posted on
01/22/2006 3:06:50 PM PST
by
xcamel
(Exposing clandestine operations is treason. 13 knots make a noose.)
To: pickrell
"silly technicality about verifying the patent" ROFLMAO Yeah it was Bush he put someone Else's name on them!
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posted on
01/22/2006 3:10:20 PM PST
by
Steveone
(Liberalism is a brain tumor!)
To: RTINSC
The M118LR bullet is so accurate, it can remove your ear at 1500 meters. The M60 hollow point, on the other hand, is not as accurate but will remove your head along with your ear. Unless it's a hostage situation, what is so wrong with that?
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posted on
01/22/2006 3:10:23 PM PST
by
IllumiNaughtyByNature
(There is an Amber Alert out for my tagline. If you find it, FReepmail me.)
To: RTINSC
My arithmetic is bad ,almost a mile?
Wow!
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posted on
01/22/2006 3:16:11 PM PST
by
dhouston
Comment #35 Removed by Moderator
To: radar101
The JAG should be brought up on charges of conduct in support of the enemy in time of war. But she never will be because she is a female. Take her commission and throw her out she may be responsible for the death of American military personnel and she is evidently a dumb as#.
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posted on
01/22/2006 3:17:32 PM PST
by
YOUGOTIT
To: radar101
JAG are a bunch of lefties who get payed for harassing the troops.
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posted on
01/22/2006 3:17:48 PM PST
by
boomop1
To: K4Harty
Nothing wrong with the M60 IMO.
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posted on
01/22/2006 3:21:52 PM PST
by
RTINSC
(There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
To: radar101
Shoot, shovel, and shut up! If they can't find a body, they can't prove a thing!
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posted on
01/22/2006 3:22:03 PM PST
by
SWAMPSNIPER
(MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP)
To: dhouston
It is my understanding the longest sniper kill with a .50 cal in Iraq was at 2200 meters -1.2 miles!
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posted on
01/22/2006 3:23:34 PM PST
by
RTINSC
(There is no guarantee of Success but Failure is guaranteed if you are not successful..)
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