North American Cooperative Security Act

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[savedbygrace]

North American Cooperative Security Act, H.R.2672 and S. 853, seems to be a grand move toward effectively removing our borders with Canada and Mexico. It also forms security teams containing officers from both U. S. and Mexico, together.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s.00853:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HR02672:

Comments?

[savedbygrace]

No clue.

[Toddsterpatriot]

In this case, you made the claim that this bill merely says that we're "helping Mexico defend their southern flank." Where does it say that?

(B) working with Canada and Mexico to encourage foreign countries to enact laws controlling alien smuggling and trafficking, the use and manufacture of fraudulent travel documents, and information sharing;

(6) IMMIGRATION AND VISA MANAGEMENT- The progress on efforts to share information concerning high-risk individuals who might attempt to travel to the United States, Canada, or Mexico, including--

(A) identifying opportunities to increase cooperation to prevent smuggling of nuclear or radioactive materials, including improving export controls for all materials identified on the high-risk sources list maintained by the International Atomic Energy Agency;

(B) working collectively with other countries to install radiation detection equipment at foreign land crossings to examine cargo destined for the United States, Canada, or Mexico;

(C) enhancing border controls through effective technical cooperation and other forms of cooperation to--
(i) prevent the smuggling of radiological materials; and
(ii) examine related next-generation equipment;

SEC. 5. IMPROVING THE SECURITY OF MEXICO'S SOUTHERN BORDER.

I could get more for you.......

But before answering that, here's a more basic question: Do you support or oppose this bill?

If it makes it more difficult for terrorists to enter Canada and Mexico, yes, I'd support this bill. We still need a wall and drones to defend our borders.

[Toddsterpatriot]

You know how it works, so why are you asking?

Some have said it eliminates our border. Can you show me where it does that?

And try not to make up any facts. I know it'll be difficult for you.

[hedgetrimmer]

here is some research for you.

Hemispheric integration and subregionalism in the Americas

[mthom]

I supposed this article from a left wing publication is meant to smear those who oppose North American integration as left wing kooks? Is that the new talking point now that the tinfoil defense cant be used? Just how much integration with socialist canada and sometimes communist mexico must one support to be considered right of center by the post-nationalist utopian set?

[mthom]

It doesnt eliminate our borders. It does focus security on the borders of North America as a whole. It also calls for a study on the feasibility of an external tariff. Seems to fall in line with others calls for a plan for integration. Expect a bill calling for a totally free flow of labor across the borders of North America in the next few years. I hope you object then.

[EternalVigilance]

You're being purposely obtuse.

[Toddsterpatriot]

It doesnt eliminate our borders.

Thank you.

Expect a bill calling for a totally free flow of labor across the borders of North America in the next few years. I hope you object then.

I object now.

[Toddsterpatriot]

So that means you can't find that section in the bill? LOL!!

[savedbygrace]

Good, you've at least read parts of the bill, maybe the whole thing. The bill does say that the U. S. will help Mexico on its southern borders. But it doesn't say that the U. S. will push to have any control over their border security, only that we'll send equipment and other items to Mexico.

While you were reading the bill, did you notice this part:

(17) FEASIBILITY OF COMMON EXTERNAL TARIFF AND DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE TO THE ECONOMY OF MEXICO- The progress of efforts to determine the feasibility of--

(A) harmonizing external tariffs on a sector-by-sector basis to the lowest prevailing rate consistent with multilateral obligations, with the goal of creating a long-term common external tariff;

(B) accelerating and expanding the implementation of existing `smart border' actions plans to facilitate intra-North American travel and commerce;

(C) working with Mexican authorities to devise a set of policies designed to stimulate the Mexican economy that--

(i) attracts investment;

(ii) stimulates growth; and

(iii) commands broad public support and provides for Mexicans to find jobs in Mexico; and

(D) working to support the development of Mexican industries, job growth, and appropriate improvements to social services.

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Re-read (B) again. You see, this bill does far more than just help Mexico with its southern borders, which is what you were intimating above here.

[freepatriot32]

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[hedgetrimmer]

5 The 34 countries of the FTAA have come a long way since the FTAA was launched at the 1994 Miami Summit of the Americas. We are on the verge of realizing an historic achievement of an unprecedented partnership for prosperity for our citizens. We must not waiver in our commitment to this goal. The attitude of national legislatures in all our countries will be a critical factor in determining if we keep to this course. The US Congress, by enacting Trade Promotion Authority, has provided the Bush Administration with the tools to complete the negotiations. We hope that the legislatures of our trading partners and neighbors will provide their negotiators with comparable political mandates and support.

Parliamentary Summit for Hemispheric Integration, Deputy United States Trade Representative Peter F. Allgeier

[Toddsterpatriot]

You see, this bill does far more than just help Mexico with its southern borders, which is what you were intimating above here.

I don't see any problem with these parts. What is your problem with them?

[KevinDavis]

You want them to post facts instead of whinning how dare you!!!!

[Toddsterpatriot]

We are on the verge of realizing an historic achievement of an unprecedented partnership for prosperity for our citizens.

This is terrible. Why do they insist on making our citizens prosperous? Doesn't the Constitution say we can't make anyone prosperous?

[savedbygrace]

(B) seems to be closely related to what you are objecting to in your post #68.

There's more than that, and I'm amazed that you don't see it.

[hedgetrimmer]

Partnership for Prosperity is an alliance established by U.S. President George W. Bush and Mexico President Vicente Fox. It is one of the 'bilateral' agreements that eliminates sovereign restrictions and rules.

[Toddsterpatriot]

(B) accelerating and expanding the implementation of existing `smart border' actions plans to facilitate intra-North American travel and commerce;

Why is this bad?

Expect a bill calling for a totally free flow of labor across the borders of North America in the next few years.

I'm sorry, by this I thought you meant some sort of guest worker program, which I oppose.

[Magnum44]

While I also lament the porous souther border (funny, I dont worry as much about the same problem from the north), and the lack of both parties will to enforce our own immigration laws, I really wish people with patriotic intentions would be a little more fact based, and less melodramatic about every issue that peripherally touches on this hot button issue. In other words, before flying off the handle, someone post the bill for us to read.

I suspect that when it is posted we will find that, while it probably doesn't strengthen our own borders any, it provides another layer of defense outside that border that currently goes unchecked. I havent read it so I dont know, but I have not seen a single post stating first hand what is in the bill here, yet a lot of people are sure PO'd about it.

[Toddsterpatriot]

H.R.2672

It's not that long.