Schiavo's Sister: U.S. Doesn't Value Life

TBO.COM ^ | 1/21/06 | PETE IACOBELLI

[Sam Gamgee]

OK. Disregard my responses as well then :)

[cgk]

Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping!

Please FReepmail me if you would like to be added to, or removed from, the Pro-Life/Pro-Baby ping list...

[sagar]

"The United States engaged in a world war it didn't have to be involved in. The US gained NOTHING for itself by doing so, but freed millions from starvation, death, and torture by doing so. In summary, the US did it because they valued all human life, even those beyond its borders."

True. Why would I disagree? But, millions of Germans, Italians, Turks, and Japanese, who were on the enemy side, died also. Their dead's lives had value too, don't you think? My whole point was about the value of life.

[cva66snipe]

If it was up to liberals we would be there already.

Not just them there's plenty on the Fiscal Conservative end who would dance for the chance as well in the name of corporate profit margins.

[stuartcr]

Got that right.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Its the whole world, and its been that way for thousands of years.

And for thousands of years, good people have fought evil. While people like yourself accept it.

[L.N. Smithee]

The article keeps propagating LIES. The autopsy specifically said that it cannot be determined whether or not she was in PVS from the autopsy.

I was reading the piece knowing a Big Lie making Michael Schiavo the good guy was coming, and there it was. It's almost as if the reporter is saying, "Screw the facts. The truth is what I say it is, and there's nothing you can do about it."

I probably was a more content person way back when I swallowed everything a reporter wrote or said because I figured they couldn't say it if it wasn't true. It doesn't help that there are millions of people who are like I once was, and are angered when you say openly, "the press is lying to you."

[L.N. Smithee]

I know I will get flamed, but, I'd say that as long as a country engages in warfare, it cannot truly value life. Warfare, even against the merciless, zealot enemy, means death and destruction of lives.

Good bumper sticker, poor logic. Using your reasoning, there is no country on the planet that "values life."

Think I'm wrong? Think, McFly, think: countries, by nature, have borders that need to be protected. If they are not protected, they are eventually breached. Tell me how someone who "values life" by your definition would go about preserving a country that refuses to fight back against a "merciless, zealot enemy."

[cgk]

I probably was a more content person way back when I swallowed everything a reporter wrote or said because I figured they couldn't say it if it wasn't true. It doesn't help that there are millions of people who are like I once was, and are angered when you say openly, "the press is lying to you."

Amen to that!

[AndyTheBear]

Yeah. I'd say 45,000,000 dead from abortions since 1973 signifies the US doesn't value life.

Wait a minute, the U.S. Constitution makes it perfectly clear that women have the right to choose abortion:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

And if you can't see it there, then you are against choice. Against freedom, and against America, and life and liberty and...

...This satire is discontinued on account of it being too close to how the left "thinks"--or whatever it is they do to come up with they're psychotic notions about the Constitution.

[Nathan Zachary]

I Agree. If anything, You can keep a list of names of people you never ever want to hire. :o)

[Tarantulas]

You can't compare abortion and the Schiavo case. I'm sorry, but the Schiavos were delusional in thinking that their daughter could recover.

I don't know about you but I don't want to kill someone not knowing for sure if it was the right thing to do. That's not something I'd rather explain to God.

As for delusional thinking, people in as bad of shape as her have recovered before. Such things are called miracles and they do on occasion happen. Not that you'll see something like that on the nightly news since it doesn't fit into their nice little worldview.

Really? Please show us some evidence of any case where a patient has regrown brain cells. Medical science says that can't happen, so I'll be interested in your response and totally prepared to admit that I and medical science are wrong.

According to her attending physicians who had been treating her for months, Terri was in a persistent vegetative state, pretty much the same as Karen Ann Quinlan. With the large number of brain cells that had been destroyed, she had zero chance of recovery. Terri had commented years earlier after seeing a documentary about Karen Ann Quinlan that she wouldn't want to live like that, and if she ever ended up in that situation that her family should "pull the plug." The court ruled that her wishes should be respected.

The Schiavo case opened a large rift between members here at Free Republic, and I don't understand why. I've always understood that conservatism meant that the "nanny state" that regulates your life from cradle to grave is a bad thing, and that we should move toward a smaller government that interferes as little as possible with a person's life. And yet I saw members of my own party trying to pass a law that overturned what Terri had stated to be her end of life choice.

The best thing about the Schiavo case is that it will motivate millions of people to write living wills, to establish their end of life choices in writing so there will be no question about what they want. And the worst thing about the case is that members of my own Republican party thought that they could override Terri's personal decision about how she wanted to end her life.

I used to call myself a Barry Goldwater Republican. I'm not even sure what that means any more. Maybe I'm the only one left.

[Nathan Zachary]

" As for delusional thinking, people in as bad of shape as her have recovered before. " That's a downright lie. She had NO BRAIN. No brain = no life, no conciousness. It was quite clear on autopsy what was left of her mind. NOTHING. But you can go ahead and believe that people can function without a brain all you want. Maybe amputee's limbs will grow back too. Anything is possible.

[fr_freak]

It aint the U.S. sweetheart. Its the whole world, and its been that way for thousands of years. War, abortion, murder...none of these are new concepts. Its just urchins like yourself who watch too much TV and scream "the sky is..!!", as if selfishness just plopped down from the heavens for the first time.

Whether not violence and wnaton disregard for human life has existed in human history is not the point. The point is that we have traditionally been a society that would not have condoned, much less conducted, the execution of a disabled person such as Terry. It would have been unthinkable only 25 or so years ago IN THIS COUNTRY. What the rest of the world does, and has done, is of no importance. What is of importance is that the USA has not engaged in that kind of behavior (before now). So, in terms of our national character, this may be an indication that the sky is falling, indeed.

[mancogasuki]

Schiavo's Sister: U.S. Doesn't Value Life Yeah. I'd say 45,000,000 dead from abortions since 1973 signifies the US doesn't value life.

Are you pro death penalty?

[jazzlite]

"You can't compare abortion and the Schiavo case. I'm sorry, but the Schiavos were delusional in thinking that their daughter could recover."

And, this is the core of the problem here. Folks like you who support placing life and death matters into the hands of those who have pure political motivations are sending us down a path of no return with consequences you will not like for you and yours in the future. You have made a charge here which cannot be known.."The Schiavos were delusional." The Schiavos were with their daughter each and every day and let me tell you something..Anyone, anywhere, who puts total confidence into the assessment of the medical profession is a fool. The finest physicians make frequent mistakes in projecting outcomes, because, first of all, they are not God and second of all, new information comes out all the time which changes ideas and approaches to everything. The brain and the nervous system is a NEW FRONTIER and little is known about it. That is why diseases such as ALS are so mysterious and hard to treat. We used to think that by the time a child was five years old, mental and psychological abilities were set and could never be physically changed in the brain..Now, we know the brain is not fully developed and is constantly being developed and "pruned" until the age of 21 or later. The rejuvenation of the brain might be possible in the future..We just do not have the answers. I found the Terri Schiavo case very disturbing in a number of ways..I felt we were sanctioning "euthanasia" which could expand to include lots of folks..I felt we were sanctioning potentially, terrible spouse abuse..I felt we were sanctioning awarding the money from the lawsuit to the wrong person, the husband whose role in all of this was and continues to be very muddy. I felt that it was a travesty to allow him to continue to be her legal guardian. The connection of the Hemlock Society to this case through the legal representation was very disturbing. I cannot even recall all of the insults to my intelligence, but it was daily and it is still very disturbing to think about..

[8mmMauser]

Pinged from Terri January Dailies

8mm

[DB]

It is those who don't value life that are unwilling to stand up and defend it. Defending it takes action not talk. Sometimes that action is war.

When you don't value anything enough to die for, you really have nothing to live for.

No one better understands the value of life than those putting it on the line to protect their families and country.

Too bad you don't seem to understand that.

[8mmMauser]

You seem like a reasonable and well meaning person. Also, I was at Hanford, too, 1970, so we share some background.

You mention the rift on FR and wonder why, so maybe I can help.

In simple terms, some seek the truth whatever it is and others are content to accepting what is comfortable.

First, you quote as truisms all that the media wants you to believe. Most all is wrong. The people who take our side do so with the truth, evidence, and personal witness the media refused to accept.

To put it bluntly, Terri was murdered in a slow process allowed by corrupt and complicit politics and media.

When they started the exit protocol of slow dehydration to kill her over thirteen days, Terri was alive, alert and remarkably healthy and was aware, despite the screams of the detractors that she was not. Many freepers were on the scene and can attest to those truths.

The media picked up very little of the truths and parroted the other side, passing out kool aid for all.

If you are as open minded as you say, you should take a look at our Terri monthly threads, the latest one linked by me above. You will have all the access and references to what actually happened.

It is understandable you picked up the impression the media wanted you to pick up, and that is in part why many months later, we keep the Legacy of Terri alive, to wake people up to what actually happened.

Regards

8mm

[DB]

I'll add that if we really didn't value life - by what you say is self evident by the mere fact that we are fighting a war - then why don't we simply nuke Iraq, Iran, Syria and North Korea? In twenty minutes the war would be over. No Americans would die. Our children wouldn't have to be shot at and killed. We could save billions of dollars that could go to far better causes.

That would be by far the easy way out. And if we were really the Great Satan that they claim we are we would do it and be done with it.

Hmmm... Why...

Could it be we as a nation value life? That we don't want to take the lives of those we see as "innocent"?

We put our lives on the line, and our wealth on the line simply because we value life. And it is a low thing to say otherwise. Especially to those actually doing the bleeding and dying trying to protect innocence.