Alpharetta Lawyer Sues Bush Over Wiretaps

AJC ^ | 01/21/06 | Carlos Campos

[muir_redwoods]

"This idiot, who calls himself a sort of a Lawyer should know that you can not sue the Government and/or a sitting President no matter what!"

Not so

The government(at all levels) can and is often sued if it waives soverign immunity which it does frequently.

[Lazamataz]

I have heard this argument before about precedent and what a future pres. would do with it. Bill and Hillary engaged in this activity for eight years already. You are assuming that previous administrations didn't do it because it was against the law. Don't be so naive.

Certainly you are not saying that, because it was illegally done before, that we should ignore the illegal behavior now or in the future?

[kcvl]

Sullivan is a liar.

COMMENTARY
By James Sullivan
MSNBC contributor
Updated: 1:53 p.m. ET Sept. 28, 2004

But uncompromising political views never hurt the sales of the now-defunct hard rock group Rage Against the Machine, and the Dixie Chicks actually gained admirers when singer Natalie Maines uttered her infamous anti-Bush sentiment.

[oneofmany]

First, let's not assume that what Bush did was illegal. That's begging the question. He is using presidential powers in time of war. The Clintons used eavesdropping for political gain during peacetime. I'm not saying that any illegal activity should be ignored at anytime but if it's going to be done anyway, precedent means nothing.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Technically, ole Sullivan might be right though: See, he only said they "gained admirers" (when they started spewing their socialist drivel. (Since they were primarily CW singers with little pure socialist appeal before, and got lots of attention after from the press, they might actually have gained a few thousand new "admirers."

He never said they gained more CUSTOMERS!

[Lazamataz]

First, let's not assume that what Bush did was illegal. That's begging the question. He is using presidential powers in time of war.

Here's the problem: The war is perpetual, can never be declared over, and thusly is carte blanche to violate the intent of the 4th amendment forever.

In World War II, we didn't fight the tactic of the blitzkrieg; we fought the Germans. We didn't fight the tactic of the kamikaze, we fought the Japanese.

Today, we fight no one people -- we fight a tactic. A war against a tactic can never truly be called over. And therefore, the abrogations against the Bill of Rights remain in perpetuity.

Lest we forget: Oceania has ALWAYS been at war with Eurasia.

I'm not saying that any illegal activity should be ignored at anytime but if it's going to be done anyway, precedent means nothing.

This statement still indicates a lack of resolve for the detection and successful prosecution of any illegal act -- at the Executive level -- if there is precedent.

[groanup]

That's why I pinged you with the post, in case I was violating rules.

[AnAmericanMother]

Don't know him. Have never had dealings with the DOC.

[oneofmany]

O.K., hold on a minute, I'm getting confused. Who violated the fourth amendment?

[p23185]

Good luck proving you were monitored. You weren't? No proof? Sucks to be you...loser!

This is precisely why all these lawsuits coming out of the woodwork on NSA spying are bogus to begin with. NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE except someone from within the Agency can offer up proof they were intercepted. Absolute fact - it is all classified and anyone that comes forward to the press is committing a felony.

[takenoprisoner]

I must admit that is quite a resume for a Vietnamese refugee born in Saigon in 1968. You have read this part right?

[operation clinton cleanup]

I must admit that is quite a resume for a Vietnamese refugee born in Saigon in 1968. You have read this part right?

Yes I did. I don't think Communism is in his genes, though.

[takenoprisoner]

"Yes I did. I don't think Communism is in his genes, though."

Maybe maybe not. Still, some nam refugees were communist sympathizers, and some even fought with the NVA.

My real beef here is that we elect congress persons to write our laws. Now I learn that some nam refugee writes our laws while congress merely skims over his cliff notes making his unconstitutional policies the law of the land...

Oh did I mention his co author, also not an elected member to congress has dual citizenship. If it were any other country but Israel I would be outraged at that alone. But after reviewing some of his misdeeds and the mishandling of critical terror cases, amongst others, and the fast track he was placed on, it's really scarey at least for me to see such a person in charge of our security...iow, his mis-deeds in NJ, and at the DOJ goes well beyond the unpatriot act he co wrote with this refugee from vietnam.

[operation clinton cleanup]

Oh did I mention his co author, also not an elected member to congress has dual citizenship. If it were any other country but Israel I would be outraged at that alone. But after reviewing some of his misdeeds and the mishandling of critical terror cases, amongst others, and the fast track he was placed on, it's really scarey at least for me to see such a person in charge of our security

I would be interested in reading about Chertoff's unsavory background if you have any links. I have never heard anything bad about him in the past, so I have no reason to question his integrity.

[Howlin]

Two words: No Standing.

[takenoprisoner]

If you are really interested in seeking the truth, you may begin your quest from here...


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[SuziQ]

If he hasn't had his phone tapped, how has he been affected enough to be able to sue?

[Rembrandt]

Must be something in the water in that part of Georgia, Jammah Cahtah, Cynthia Tucker, Max Cleland - gets their minds all bent around.

[gunnedah]

More than that the slob is trying to aid Al Queida and get his fame.

[verity]

"Comments welcome."

Trouble maker.:-)