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"Intelligent design" not science: Vatican paper
Reuters ^ | January 20, 2006 | Tom Heneghan

Posted on 01/20/2006 9:45:31 AM PST by memetic

PARIS (Reuters) - The Roman Catholic Church has restated its support for evolution with an article praising a U.S. court decision that rejects the "intelligent design" theory as non-scientific.

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The Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano said that teaching intelligent design -- which argues that life is so complex that it needed a supernatural creator -- alongside Darwin's theory of evolution would only cause confusion.

A court in the state of Pennsylvania last month barred a school from teaching intelligent design (ID), a blow to Christian conservatives who want it to be taught in biology classes along with the Darwinism they oppose.

The ID movement sometimes presents Catholicism, the world's largest Christian denomination, as an ally in its campaign. While the Church is socially conservative, it has a long theological tradition that rejects fundamentalist creationism...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catholic; id; intelligentdesign
This seems to clarify somemuddled talk on the issue.
1 posted on 01/20/2006 9:45:33 AM PST by memetic
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To: memetic

Those evil secularists over there in the Vatican, they must be stopped!


2 posted on 01/20/2006 9:47:10 AM PST by Paradox (Liberalism IS a religion.)
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To: memetic

Already posted.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1561170/posts


3 posted on 01/20/2006 9:49:28 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Paradox

Don't forget, there are an awful lot of Ph.D's over at the Vatican.


4 posted on 01/20/2006 9:49:45 AM PST by cchandler
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To: memetic

Bump for later,

My son is debating this very topic, "should ID be taught in public schools", in his HS debate class. He'll be able to use this source.

Semper Fidelis


5 posted on 01/20/2006 9:53:00 AM PST by marine86297 (I'll never forgive Clinton for Somalia, my blood is on his hands)
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To: Paradox
The Pope asked a priest to find out
What the universe and life was about
His report was published
and just as soon rubbished...
"It's in my Bible", God said, "why d'you doubt! "
6 posted on 01/20/2006 9:55:10 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: memetic

I agree that ID shouldn't be taught in a science class, but what can and should be taught are doubts, controversies, and holes in Darwinist evolutionary speculation.


7 posted on 01/20/2006 9:59:17 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: memetic
While the Church is socially conservative, it has a long theological tradition that rejects fundamentalist creationism...

What else in the Bible does the Catholic Church reject?

8 posted on 01/20/2006 10:00:42 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: memetic

This church excommunicated Galileo for his observations the sun is in the center of the solar system so their record on pronouncements of a scientific nature is far from "infallible"


9 posted on 01/20/2006 10:01:45 AM PST by brainstem223
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To: brainstem223

>>This church excommunicated Galileo for his observations the sun is in the center

Wrong. This happened because Galileo refused to treat his observations as theories. Instead he went around teaching them as irrefutable fact.

Had Galeleo simply admitted his theory was a theory and treated it as such, he would have been fine. The church was not opposed to his theory, the Church just wanted to be sure it was in fact, the truth.

This was an issue of obedience to the church about how his theory was presented, not about the theory itself. The church never demand that he recant his theory, only that he treat it as such.


11 posted on 01/20/2006 10:08:44 AM PST by 1stFreedom (zx1)
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To: brainstem223

Aw jeez, not that crap again! Please check out the original thread where that subject was discussed.


12 posted on 01/20/2006 10:09:32 AM PST by DarkSavant ("Life is hilariously cruel" - Bender)
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To: 1stFreedom

Well the sun is in the center and thats a fact. Your spin on this is farcical. The Church leaders were unknowingly in ignorance of the scientific facts, and as such, rejected his scientific observations out of hand and with close-minded malice and hubris, wrongfully tossed him out of the Church. Goalie couldn't have postulated a theory because his observations closed the issue and to pay homage to the unknowing Church leaders and promote a lie would have been highly unethical on his part. One doesn't subvert thuth in the face of ignorance and remain on the moral high ground.


13 posted on 01/20/2006 10:42:02 AM PST by brainstem223
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To: memetic
The goal of tolerance and diversity of ideas in academia notwithstanding, evolution is the only theory that should be allowed to be discussed, mentioned, or even thought about. We are so confident that everything seen is the product of time and chance that further discussion cannot be tolerated.

Besides, evolution is pure science, and has nothing to do with religion. It has nothing to do with atheism or secular humanism. We are not trying to protect this premise of human existence because we have an agenda. Our only agenda is the search for truth.

This is why we are open to discussion and debate from anyone, anywhere, anytime. That is of course so long as we have not deemed you unqualified based on your narrow religious view of the world, which is premised on a supreme creator. Since such an idea cannot be observed and tested like macro evolution can . . . err, uh, I mean it could be if we had the time to . . . but it is unquestionable that it is a scientific fact . . .blablablablablabla. /SARCASM

14 posted on 01/20/2006 10:49:25 AM PST by Clump
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To: Clump

Well, you had me going there for a second...


15 posted on 01/20/2006 10:51:33 AM PST by Chasaway (Anything not worth doing is not worth doing well.)
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To: Chasaway
Well, you had me going there for a second...

Sorry to get your blood pressure up. I seldom resort to this tactic when trying to make a point. I have learned that people are seldom going to change their opinion on this matter based on an argument, so I really don't spend time debating it.

What irritates me is the unwillingness of some to allow open discussion of the issue. So long as there is a theory to explain human existence, competing ideas should not be foreclosed.

Its like some people want to make sure that children from public schools don't question that they are merely highly evolved animals. The religion of secular humanism has been packaged as science, and then rammed into the heads of school children free of competition. Their agenda is obvious, and I will not stand for it.

16 posted on 01/20/2006 11:06:20 AM PST by Clump
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