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'Offensive' remarks taken straight from Koran, defence says
The TImes Online ^ | Sean O’Neill

Posted on 01/20/2006 6:29:20 AM PST by dnmore

COPIES of the Koran were handed to the jurors in the Abu Hamza trial yesterday as his defence argued that some of the cleric’s “offensive” statements were drawn directly from Islam’s holy book.

Edward Fitzgerald, QC, for the defence, said that Abu Hamza’s interpretation of the Koran was that it imposed an obligation on Muslims to do jihad and fight in the defence of their religion. He said that the Crown case against the former imam of Finsbury Park Mosque was “simplistic in the extreme”.

He added: “It is said he was preaching murder, but he was actually preaching from the Koran itself.”

Mr Fitzgerald cited two verses of the book that Abu Hamza would rely on, among many others, as theological justification for the words that had led to him being charged. They were Chapter 2, verse 216 and Chapter 9, verse 111. He said that all the great monotheistic religions had scriptures that contained “the language of blood and retribution”.

Abu Hamza’s remarks, which the prosecution alleges amount to an attempt to stir up racial hatred against the Jewish people, were, Mr Fitzgerald said, a reference to the Hadith — sayings of the Prophet Muhammad — in which fighting between Jews and Muslims is predicted.

The Hadith says that the trees will call out to the Muslims “there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him”.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abuhamza; enemywithin; eurabia; fifthcolumn; gwot; islam; kkkoran; koran; muslim; quran; rop; terrortrials; trop; uk
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I'm shoked to find out that the Koran advocates murder

NOT

1 posted on 01/20/2006 6:29:22 AM PST by dnmore
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As an interesting contrast to this, the courts in Australia recently ruled that a Christian preacher was guilty of "vilifying" Islam, even though the "vile" statements were quotes from the Koran.


2 posted on 01/20/2006 6:31:03 AM PST by Tax-chick (“Oh, that alters the case. Whatever General Lee says is all right, I don’t care what it is.”)
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Does a conviction against him, also mean a conviction AGAINST the Koran of Death.


3 posted on 01/20/2006 6:32:57 AM PST by marty60
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sO IF YOUR 'RELIGION' IS DEVIL-WORSHIP AND YOU HAND OUT COPIES OF THE NECRONOMICON, THEN YOU CAN COMMIT ANY CRIME YOU WANT?


4 posted on 01/20/2006 6:33:18 AM PST by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help...)
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5 posted on 01/20/2006 6:34:59 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Boorrrringg ...)
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“It is said he was preaching murder, but he was actually preaching from the Koran itself.”
And if true, the entire religion should be banished.
7 posted on 01/20/2006 6:35:42 AM PST by samtheman
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And this somehow makes it ok to kill Jews and to advocate kiling them? What a crock. OTOH, it should be argued that anyone quoting the koran to show how evil muslims are is NOT using hate speech but telling the truth.


8 posted on 01/20/2006 6:36:03 AM PST by calex59
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To say that the Koran "preaches" it is the understatement of the year. It repeatedly tells its followers they will end up in Hell if they don't do these things.


9 posted on 01/20/2006 6:41:05 AM PST by thoughtomator
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“It is said he was preaching murder, but he was actually preaching from the Koran itself.”

I’m not sure this is much of a defence.


10 posted on 01/20/2006 6:41:07 AM PST by FostersExport
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What is turning out to be very interesting in the Cap'n Hook case is that, in the end, it may be the Quran that is on trial. Just because Hamza used the Quran as a defense doesn't mean he will be exonerated.

This case may set a huge precendent as to the use of the Quran (i.e. preaching from the Quran isn't allowed to the extent it encourages breaking the law). Muslims will find that outrageously insulting to their dirty little book.

11 posted on 01/20/2006 6:42:24 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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sO IF YOUR 'RELIGION' IS DEVIL-WORSHIP AND YOU HAND OUT COPIES OF THE NECRONOMICON, THEN YOU CAN COMMIT ANY CRIME YOU WANT?

No, but you can apparently preach any crime you want...

12 posted on 01/20/2006 6:44:42 AM PST by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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He added: “It is said he was preaching murder, but he was actually preaching from the Koran itself.”


No Way!!

13 posted on 01/20/2006 6:47:02 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (Puppymillalicious!)
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14 posted on 01/20/2006 6:48:37 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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Did the jurors have to wear gloves before they were permitted to handle this holy book/sarc


15 posted on 01/20/2006 6:51:04 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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“It is said he was preaching murder, but he was actually preaching from the Koran itself.”

A distinction without a difference...

16 posted on 01/20/2006 6:53:00 AM PST by null and void ("Never place a period where God has placed a coma" --Gracie Allen)
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Were can I get some pigskin gloves?


17 posted on 01/20/2006 6:55:20 AM PST by null and void ("Never place a period where God has placed a coma" --Gracie Allen)
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He said that all the great monotheistic religions had scriptures that contained “the language of blood and retribution”.

Correct. But ONLY ONE USES THE PRESENT TENSE

18 posted on 01/20/2006 6:58:10 AM PST by agere_contra
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"Tolerance,,, people, we must have tolerance. Except when it comes to anything American or Christian. Then we can take away their rights, and lock them up, since those Christian Americans are the ones who are to blame and are the ones who are not tolerant and are destroying America..."

I'm practicing talking like a liberal... :)


19 posted on 01/20/2006 6:58:47 AM PST by BusiDad
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To: Tax-chick

"As an interesting contrast to this, the courts in Australia recently
ruled that
a Christian preacher was guilty of "vilifying" Islam, even though the
"vile" statements were quotes from the Koran."

IIRC, that's the case of "The Two Dannys", the two pastors that had
the temerity to actually quote the Holy Koran.
Talk about an object lesson on why most of the Islamic countries
are medieval hell-holes.

Reference article for the forum:

http://ctlibrary.com/12058


20 posted on 01/20/2006 6:58:53 AM PST by VOA
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