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Feds Seek Google Records in Porn Probe
AP Via Yahoo ^ | 2006-01-19

Posted on 01/19/2006 10:36:33 AM PST by flashbunny

The Bush administration, seeking to revive an online pornography law struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court, has subpoenaed Google Inc. for details on what its users have been looking for through its popular search engine.

Google has refused to comply with the subpoena, issued last year, for a broad range of material from its databases, including a request for 1 million random Web addresses and records of all Google searches from any one-week period, lawyers for the U.S. Justice Department said in papers filed Wednesday in federal court in San Jose.

Privacy advocates have been increasingly scrutinizing Google's practices as the company expands its offerings to include e-mail, driving directions, photo-sharing, instant messaging and Web journals.

Although Google pledges to protect personal information, the company's privacy policy says it complies with legal and government requests. Google also has no stated guidelines on how long it keeps data, leading critics to warn that retention is potentially forever given cheap storage costs.

The government contends it needs the data to determine how often pornography shows up in online searches as part of an effort to revive an Internet child protection law that was struck down two years ago by the U.S. Supreme Court on free-speech grounds.

The 1998 Child Online Protection Act would have required adults to use access codes or other ways of registering before they could see objectionable material online, and it would have punished violators with fines up to $50,000 or jail time. The high court ruled that technology such as filtering software may better protect children.

The matter is now before a federal court in Pennsylvania, and the government wants the Google data to help argue that the law is more effective than software in protecting children from porn.

The Mountain View-based company told The San Jose Mercury News that it opposes releasing the information because it would violate the privacy rights of its users and would reveal company trade secrets.

Nicole Wong, an associate general counsel for Google, said the company will fight the government's efforts "vigorously."

"Google is not a party to this lawsuit, and the demand for the information is overreaching," Wong said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: americantaliban; bigbrother; google; govwatch; libertarians; nannystate; porn; snooping; statist
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To: NJ_gent

Now that is scary..

And they fail to think beyond their noses at this possibility. Complete control by her?

They best watch what they wish for, they might get it and be SORRY.


241 posted on 01/19/2006 1:07:15 PM PST by crz
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To: Lazamataz
The more this administration acts, the more I don't care who's in the White House next.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

242 posted on 01/19/2006 1:09:04 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: steve-b
it is absolutely impossible to determine which searches were made by whom, the only way the government could possibly "use" this data for their stated purpose is to fraudulently claim that they have identified cases of children searching for porn.

If only that were true. The next step would be to subpoena Google's records of inbound IP addresses. After that, they would go after records from the various ISPs. And from there, they have phone numbers, then names, then addresses... And then "probable cause".

243 posted on 01/19/2006 1:09:12 PM PST by Redcloak ("Shiny... Let's be bad guys.")
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To: flashbunny
I think someone should tell alberto gonzales that illegal aliens are smuggling porn over our open borders

He would complain bitterly about them impugning the character of his relatives.

244 posted on 01/19/2006 1:10:13 PM PST by Regulator
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To: antiRepublicrat

Then you've become a responsible parent havent you? You've installed the proper functions to prevent them from access and that is your right.

Government starts at home and not in Washington DC.


245 posted on 01/19/2006 1:10:43 PM PST by crz
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To: dinoparty
Pornography has nothing to do with political speech, which the first amendment was intended to protect.

That's funny, I don't see the word "political" anywhere in the following:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Hint: if you have to make stuff up to prove your point, you are probably wrong.

246 posted on 01/19/2006 1:11:17 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Antoninus
I'm normally a small government guy

You need to accompany that statement with the finger-waggle. You might want to watch a few tapes of Clinton denying that he had sex with "that woman" to refresh your memory of the exact technique.

247 posted on 01/19/2006 1:12:49 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Antoninus

LOL -- you've just cited yet another example of the failure and incompetence of government in these matters.


248 posted on 01/19/2006 1:14:08 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: NJ_gent
This seems to conflict with what Communists do in practice. Look at China, where internet pornography is illegal.

Uh, that's what they do after they take over. They endeavor to legalize pornography in a target country that they are trying to destabilize. If you read the "Current Communist Goals, that's the whole point--destabilization of the US. A population that is demoralized (in every sense of the word) is unlikely to stand up against the communists when they attempt to take power. Just promise them their porn/sports/TV/entertainment is sacrosanct (for the moment), and you can strip away all their political freedoms.
249 posted on 01/19/2006 1:14:20 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: Antoninus
Answer me honestly: If and when a Democrat administration comes to power, do you think that Google will withhold this information so tenaciously?

Uh, yes. They have privacy agreements with their users, and this would violate such.

In my opinion, pornography is a societal cancer needs to be aggressively taxed and regulated and/or banned on every level of government--and I'm normally a small government guy.

Yeah, but that power just tempts you, doesn't it? I mean, the Dems may have created all that power under the Commerce Clause to spawn the New Deal, but you'd be using it for a greater good, wouldn't you?

Scalia feels the same way, from what I can see in his dissent in Gonzalez:

The Court’s decision today is perhaps driven by a feeling that the subject of assisted suicide is none of the Federal Government’s business. It is easy to sympathize with that position. The prohibition or deterrence of assisted suicide is certainly not among the enumerated powers conferred on the United States by the Constitution, and it is withinthe realm of public morality (bonos mores) traditionallyaddressed by the so-called police power of the States. But then, neither is prohibiting the recreational use of drugs or discouraging drug addiction among the enumerated powers. From an early time in our national history, the Federal Government has used its enumerated powers, such as its power to regulate interstate commerce, for the purpose of protecting public morality—for example, by banning the interstate shipment of lottery tickets, or the interstate transport of women for immoral purposes. See Hoke v. United States, 227 U. S. 308, 321–323 (1913); Lottery Case, 188 U. S. 321, 356 (1903). Unless we are to repudiate a long and well-established principle of our jurisprudence, using the federal commerce power to prevent assisted suicide is unquestionably permissible. The question before us is not whether Congress can do this, or even whether Congress should do this; but simply whetherCongress has done this in the CSA. I think there is no doubt that it has. If the term “legitimate medical purpose” has any meaning, it surely excludes the prescription of drugs to produce death.

So rather than say that the Commerce Clause abuses should be ended, Scalia instead decides we should harness them for our own uses.

Of course, the libs feel that all their abuses under the Commerce Clause are for a moral cause as well.

250 posted on 01/19/2006 1:14:32 PM PST by dirtboy (My new years resolution is to quit using taglines...)
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To: wyattearp
That's funny, I don't see the word "political" anywhere in the following:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Geez -- it's right there in the emanation from the penumbra! Are you blind? (And just how did you GET that way, hmmmm...?)

251 posted on 01/19/2006 1:15:23 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: longshadow; antiRepublicrat
ABSTAINER, n., A weak person who yields to the temptation of denying himself a pleasure. A total abstainer is one who abstains from everything but abstention, and especially from inactivity in the affairs of others.

- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary


252 posted on 01/19/2006 1:15:51 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: steve-b

I hope he thought it was all worth it. You know the saying..


253 posted on 01/19/2006 1:16:31 PM PST by crz
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To: wyattearp
That's funny, I don't see the word "political" anywhere in the following:

I also don't see the words: "pictures" "videos" "JPEGS" etc. in the First Amendment.

A film of two guys sodomozing each other is not speech.
254 posted on 01/19/2006 1:16:42 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: Antoninus
Communist Rules For Revolution.
255 posted on 01/19/2006 1:16:58 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: dinoparty

The Constitution says it's not the governments job. The Supreme Court already told them that once.


256 posted on 01/19/2006 1:17:02 PM PST by rattrap
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To: flashbunny
Hell, if someone thinks it's a cancer, that's good enough reason to ignore the constitution!

Porn is not protected by the Constitution.

Guns are.

Next question?
257 posted on 01/19/2006 1:18:02 PM PST by Antoninus (The only reason you're alive today is because your parents were pro-life.)
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To: steve-b
On his home page, dinoparty claims to be a lawyer. Evidently, they don't teach the Constitution (the actual written one, as opposed to the one pulled out of judges' arses) in law school these days.

Of what use would that information be to today's lawyers and judges?

258 posted on 01/19/2006 1:20:09 PM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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To: dirtboy
Yeah, but that power just tempts you, doesn't it? I mean, the Dems may have created all that power under the Commerce Clause to spawn the New Deal, but you'd be using it for a greater good, wouldn't you?
"But I have so little of any of these things! You are wise and powerful. Will you not take the Ring?"
"No!" cried Gandalf, springing to his feet. "With that power I should have power too great and terrible. And over me the Ring would gain a power still greater and more deadly." His eyes flashed and his face was lit as by a fire within. "Do not tempt me! For I do not wish to become like the Dark Lord himself. Yet the way of the Ring to my heart is by pity, pity for weakness and the desire of strength to do good. Do not tempt me!"

259 posted on 01/19/2006 1:20:33 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: steve-b

There you go. Problem solved. That was easy.


260 posted on 01/19/2006 1:22:25 PM PST by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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