Posted on 01/19/2006 7:49:37 AM PST by x5452
Crimean Tatars Call On Kyiv To Restore Their Rights 12 December 2005 -- Members of the Crimean Tatar Congress gathered in the main Crimean city Simferopol said yesterday that Ukraine's integration with the West should not go forward until Kyiv restores Tatar rights.
Congressional delegates, issuing a statement at the end of the three-day session, accused Ukrainian authorities of disregarding the rights of Crimean Tatars, who were deported en masse by Soviet leader Josef Stalin in 1944.
RFE/RL's Tatar-Bashkir Service reported that congress member Timur Dagci was among the voices calling for Kyiv to recognize the deportation as genocide:
"Our problem -- the problem of Stalin's genocide of the Crimean Tatar people -- is an undeniable fact, so I believe all countries, the United Nations, and the European Union will recognize it and will decide that it was indeed genocide," Dagci said.
Many Tatars have since returned to Crimea, but have been unable to reclaim valuable land and property that was theirs before the deportations.
The Tatar Congress delegates called on the Council of Europe and the European Union to make Ukraine's possible membership in the EU and World Trade Organization contingent on their recognition of Crimean Tatar rights.
(RFE/RL's Tatar-Bashkir Service/Interfax)
Interestingly True Ukranians didn't like the notion of their brethren being beaten and killed by Poles.....when it was clear the Polish conquerers would not relent they moved the church.
Kyiv Metropolia was Orthodox, not the Uniates. It was established by Cossacks and subsequently consecrated by the Greek Patriarch in 1620.
Why would the church have to move from the Poles in 1686 if the territory was no longer under the Poles?
Let the record note that our good Russophile friends have no explanation for their concerted action that follows the official Kremlin directive for the synagogue slashing incident. Having failed at a plausible explanation, the conclusion is obvious.
ok, grab your calculators :). Mongol invasion- 1240s, Kulikovo battle/Donskoi- 1380s. What has Moscow been doing during these 140 years? (Answer: sleeping with the enemy.)
Moscow surrendered to Mongols without a fight (I admit, a smart move), while Ukrainians, with king Danylo of Galicia who was defending Kyiv at the time, were fighting the Asians and getting their asses beaten. Smart or not smart, but definitely more noble than becoming Mongol servants.
But this is with Tatars. Ottomans are slightly different. And against the Ottomans Muscowy didn't lift a finger until the late 17th cent.
Furthermore, if the Urkainians were so great and brave how did they let themselves be conquered by the Moscali?
Moscali aren't great and brave enough to conquer Ukrainians. Ukrainians willingly joined them. (A terrible decision it turned out to be.)
How's Karl the III these days?
Me and Karl are OK, shooting darts at Petia's head. :)
There's a difference? ;).
Ok, I'll play your game of semantics- if Russians aren't responsible for the USSR's Famine, then Turks aren't responsible for the Ottoman Empire's genocide of Armenians.
Ridiculous, isn't it? Different name of the state, same people.
What did I say couple of posts ago? "Grass always looks greener on the other side." My stance might be wrong (however unlikely that may be :). However looking at Ukraine's Russian experince, it would be fairly difficult for Turks to match that.
but I'll let peoples like Serbs, Greeks, Iranians, Indians, who have been under Islam's yoke, answer you
Yet these people wouldn't know a thing about being in Ukrainian shoes. Comparing oranges with apples.
What's amazing to me is day by day the foreign contigent on FR grows - they claim to be "Americans" but all I see is them advocating the foreign policy positions of foreign political parties and foreign leaders. It's evident that Mazepa, Spanalot, et al., are trying to advance their country's foreign policy agenda by claiming to be "American" and driving a wedge into conservative groups. What's sad are the two or three homegrown useful idiots who join them in calling American veterans "traitors." When you come on here and advocate Yushenko's position, or worse - the position of radical hate groups from that part of the world, you show your true colors. You're hiding behind America preying on paranoia of people who don't realize we WON the Cold War and using it for your own political gains. All you've really managed to do is libel and slander Americans who have served. We don't need "old world" hate politics. Old word politics is a game played by the weak-willed and ignorant. Get out of the past and into the future.
Union of Brest and its aftermath
In order to oppose such restrictions and to reverse cultural polonization of Orthodox bishops, the Ecumenical Patriarch encouraged the activity of the Orthodox urban communities, or bratstva. In 1589 Hedeon Balaban, the bishop of Lvov, asked the Pope to take him under his protection, because he was exasperated by the struggle with urban communities and the Ecumenical Patriarch. He was followed by the bishops of Lutsk, Chelm, and Turov in 1590. In the following years, the bishops of Volodymyr-Volynskyy and Przemysl and the Metropolitan of Kiev announced their secession from the Ecumenical Patriarchate. In 1595 some of the renegades arrived to Rome and asked the Pope to take them under his jurisdiction.
In the Union of Brest of 1596, a part of the Ukrainian Church was accepted under the jurisdiction of the Roman Pope, becoming a Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church (UGCC). While the new church gained many faithful among the Ukrainians in Galicia and Volhynia, the majority of Ukrainians in the rest fo the land remained within Eastern Orthodoxy with the church affairs ruled by then from Kiev under the metropolitan Petro Mohyla. The eastward spread of the Union of Brest led to violent clashes, e.g., assassination of the Uniate archbishop Kuncewicz by the Orthodox mob in Polotsk in 1623.
In 1686, 40 years after Mohyla's death, the Orthodox Church of Kiev and all Rus' was transferred from the jurisdiction of the Patriarch of Constantinople to the Patriarchate of Moscow, established a century prior to that. This led to the Ukrainian domination of the Russian Orthodox Church, which continued well into the 18th century, Feofan Prokopovich and Demetrius of Rostov being among the most notable representatives of this trend.
Yes because Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Marx, they're all of course still alive.
Why don't you move to Poland already?
As always, the Russians did the whole mess and Ukrainian must pay for it.
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Wrong again. The Soviets commited the crimes...Ukrainian, atatrs, Georgian, Polish, Jewish, Georgian, etc. Commies.
Have you ever wondered why the Christian nations like Greeks, Serbs and Armenians, which tasted over the long time the tolerant Turkish rule, tend to be very friendly to Russia?
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Your insipidly disgusting post reveals so much ignorance. You know nothing of the barbarity of the long nightmare under Muslim Turkish rule as experienced by the Christian Balkans.
Christian nations are friendly to Russia because Russia once again is well on its way to becoming a Xstian country...
Pilsudski was a Lenin copycat...Poles actually admire this criminal?
You dont know what are you talking about...
I'll give you my kidney if you find where I said I'm American. Ukrainian born and raised.
What's sad are the two or three homegrown useful idiots who join them in calling American veterans "traitors."
No idea what you're talking about. Say something like 'Mazepa tortures children for fun'- it'll be just as believable.
Why should I?
Independent Ukraine, now and forever, is all I want.
In public school they got a raw deal
You have no identity with historical Ukraine. You only have identity with Ruthenia-Galicia. You continually take historical positions against Ukraine and pro-nations that conquered Ukraine. Further you're lack of any sort of understanding of canical orthodoxy proves you've little aligiance to the true church of Ukraine, and you're lack of respect for the private property rights of churches and separation of church and state shows you for a socialist.
You dont know what are you talking about...
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Really...point that finger of ignorance at yourself.
"Pilsudski, born in Russian Poland, found himself exiled by the Russians to Siberia for five years from 1887 after campaigning on behalf of the Polish nationalist cause. He nevertheless returned in time at the head of the National Socialist Party and became editor of left-wing newspaper Robotnik.
Having formed a military unit he used it to undertake raids upon banks while at the same time murdering members of the Tsarist police force. In September 1908 Pilsudski and his associates successfully stole some 200,000 roubles from a mail train in Bezdany, which he subsequently used to fund the formation of a fresh revolutionary army.
http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/pilsudski.htm
thanks for the ping. I'm in total agreement with your comment.
Better read something less biased.
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