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Myth: Schools Need More Money (John Stossel)
Creator's Syndicate ^ | January 18, 2006 | John Stossel

Posted on 01/18/2006 1:41:16 PM PST by RWR8189

"Stossel is an idiot who should be fired from ABC and sent back to elementary school to learn journalism." "Stossel is a right-wing extremist ideologue."

The hate mail is coming in to ABC over a TV special I did Friday (1/13). I suggested that public schools had plenty of money but were squandering it, because that's what government monopolies do.

Many such comments came in after the National Education Association (NEA) informed its members about the special and claimed that I have a "documented history of blatant antagonism toward public schools."

The NEA says public schools need more money. That's the refrain heard in politicians' speeches, ballot initiatives and maybe even in your child's own classroom. At a union demonstration, teachers carried signs that said schools will only improve "when the schools have all the money they need and the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber."

Not enough money for education? It's a myth.

The truth is, public schools are rolling in money. If you divide the U.S. Department of Education's figure for total spending on K-12 education by the department's count of K-12 students, it works out to about $10,000 per student.

Think about that! For a class of 25 kids, that's $250,000 per classroom. This doesn't include capital costs. Couldn't you do much better than government schools with $250,000? You could hire several good teachers; I doubt you'd hire many bureaucrats. Government schools, like most monopolies, squander money.

America spends more on schooling than the vast majority of countries that outscore us on the international tests. But the bureaucrats still blame school failure on lack of funds, and demand more money.

In 1985, some of them got their wish. Kansas City, Mo., judge Russell Clark said the city's predominately black schools were not "halfway decent," and he ordered the government to spend billions more. Did the billions improve test scores? Did they hire better teachers, provide better books? Did the students learn anything?

Well, they learned how to waste lots of money.

The bureaucrats renovated school buildings, adding enormous gyms, an Olympic swimming pool, a robotics lab, TV studios, a zoo, a planetarium, and a wildlife sanctuary. They added intense instruction in foreign languages. They spent so much money that when they decided to bring more white kids to the city's schools, they didn't have to resort to busing. Instead, they paid for 120 taxis. Taxis!

What did spending billions more accomplish? The schools got worse. In 2000, five years and $2 billion later, the Kansas City school district failed 11 performance standards and lost its academic accreditation for the first time in the district's history.

A study by two professors at the Hoover Institution a few years ago compared public and Catholic schools in three of New York City's five boroughs. Parochial education outperformed the nation's largest school system "in every instance," they found -- and it did it at less than half the cost per student.

"Everyone has been conned -- you can give public schools all the money in America, and it will not be enough," says Ben Chavis, a former public school principal who now runs the American Indian Charter School in Oakland, Calif. His school spends thousands less per student than Oakland's government-run schools spend.

Chavis saves money by having students help clean the grounds and set up for lunch. "We don't have a full-time janitor," he told me. "We don't have security guards. We don't have computers. We don't have a cafeteria staff." Since Chavis took over four years ago, his school has gone from being among the worst middle schools in Oakland to the one where the kids get the best test scores. "I see my school as a business," he said. "And my students are the shareholders. And the families are the shareholders. I have to provide them with something."

©2006 JFS Productions, Inc. Distributed by Creators Syndicate


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To: RWR8189
Chavis saves money by having students help clean the grounds and set up for lunch.

Back in my elementary school days, we occasionally used our recess period to pull clover from the school grounds.

I personally think there is way too much administration. We have a HUGE building now. God knows what they do there. Dream up new ways to teach math so that no one really learns anything, it seams like.

21 posted on 01/18/2006 2:27:14 PM PST by TX Bluebonnet
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To: DaveyB
In the long run parents who love their children will make wise decisions, children will be better educated and liberty will prevail.

That's about everything the neoMarxists are working against; you forgot religion.

22 posted on 01/18/2006 2:27:33 PM PST by polymuser (Losing, like flooding, brings rats to the surface.)
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To: Hendrix
Part of the problem is parents who do not do their part in making sure their kids are doing enough studying.

That's not a problem in my homeschool - but then again we didn't spent $10K either.

23 posted on 01/18/2006 2:28:04 PM PST by DaveyB (I was educated in a public school so I could be wrong!)
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To: nomad
Bump

I don`t suppose you have a web site with stats, I`d like to bookmark it for future reference.

Try this site (click here) for a list of solutions.

24 posted on 01/18/2006 2:29:23 PM PST by B-Cause (“Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.”)
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To: polymuser
...you forgot religion.

I am convinced that all learning takes place from a worldview perspective and so is inherently religious.

25 posted on 01/18/2006 2:30:42 PM PST by DaveyB (I was educated in a public school so I could be wrong!)
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To: RWR8189
This reminds me of a report I saw on a network news show several years ago. It was about the lousy achievement scores at a "poor" black school in the South. According to the report, the major deficiencies were a lack of computers, and no gymnasium. Well, I graduated from a church school in 1970, and that described my school to a tee. The school had one very primitive little computer that was shared by the math teacher, and the financial guy in the office. It didn't even have a screen. You punched in numbers, and they printed on a tape, like an adding machine. We also never had a gym.

Here's my point. Everyone that went to that school got excellent educations. My classmates became, doctors, nurses, lawyers, engineers, and teachers. The school made the most of the money it had to work with. Today's public educators rail at the idea that they should have to produce any results. Competition is the answer, it always has been. Give people vouchers, and let them select who will teach their children.

26 posted on 01/18/2006 2:36:46 PM PST by Jerrbear
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To: polymuser
I'm in favor of voucher because something has to be done about our failing schools now. However, I am very concerned about vouchers being used in the future as the leverage to demand state control of private and religious schools. The ACLU-NEA-DNC axis of evil will not give up easily.

A better solution, I think, is to apply 100% pure capitalism to the problem. I'm confident that for-profit private schools financed entirely by tuitions could provide student with an excellent education at far, far lower cost than public schools while remaining affordable to the average family.

27 posted on 01/18/2006 2:38:15 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: RWR8189
Here's the transcript of the program. I'm sure there are a lot of parents thinking about their child's lack of education and are considering dumping public schools, since watching the program. I've sent this out to everyone I know in hopes that enough parents will stand together and FINALLY get rid of the NEA. I'm also sending it to my Congressmen/women and Senators.

Stupid in America

How Lack of Choice Cheats Our Kids Out of a Good Education

By JOHN STOSSEL Jan. 13, 2006 — -

"Stupid in America" is a nasty title for a program about public education, but some nasty things are going on in America's public schools and it's about time we face up to it.

Kids at New York's Abraham Lincoln High School told me their teachers are so dull students fall asleep in class. One student said, "You see kids all the time walking in the school smoking weed, you know. It's a normal thing here."

We tried to bring "20/20" cameras into New York City schools to see for ourselves and show you what's going on in the schools, but officials wouldn't allow it.

Washington, D.C., officials steered us to the best classrooms in their district.

We wanted to tape typical classrooms but were turned down in state after state.

Finally, school officials in Washington, D.C., allowed "20/20" to give cameras to a few students who were handpicked at two schools they'd handpicked. One was Woodrow Wilson High. Newsweek says it's one of the best schools in America. Yet what the students taped didn't inspire confidence.

One teacher didn't have control over the kids. Another "20/20" student cameraman videotaped a boy dancing wildly with his shirt off, in front of his teacher.

If you're like most American parents, you might think "These things don't happen at my kid's school." A Gallup Poll survey showed 76 percent of Americans were completely or somewhat satisfied with their kids' public school.

Education reformers like Kevin Chavous have a message for these parents: If you only knew.

Even though people in the suburbs might think their schools are great, Chavous says, "They're not. That's the thing and the test scores show that."

Chavous and many other education professionals say Americans don't know that their public schools, on the whole, just aren't that good. Because without competition, parents don't know what their kids might have had.

And while many people say, "We need to spend more money on our schools," there actually isn't a link between spending and student achievement.

Jay Greene, author of "Education Myths," points out that "If money were the solution, the problem would already be solved ... We've doubled per pupil spending, adjusting for inflation, over the last 30 years, and yet schools aren't better."

He's absolutely right. National graduation rates and achievement scores are flat, while spending on education has increased more than 100 percent since 1971. More money hasn't helped American kids.

Ben Chavis is a former public school principal who now runs an alternative charter school in Oakland, Calif., that spends thousands of dollars less per student than the surrounding public schools. He laughs at the public schools' complaints about money.

"That is the biggest lie in America. They waste money," he said.

To save money, Chavis asks the students to do things like keep the grounds picked up and set up for their own lunch. For gym class, his students often just run laps around the block. All of this means there's more money left over for teaching.

Even though he spends less money per student than the public schools do, Chavis pays his teachers more than what public school teachers earn. His school also thrives because the principal gets involved. Chavis shows up at every classroom and uses gimmicks like small cash payments for perfect attendance.

Since he took over four years ago, his school has gone from being among the worst in Oakland to being the best. His middle school has the highest test scores in the city.

"It's not about the money," he said.

He's confident that even kids who come from broken families and poor families will do well in his school. "Give me the poor kids, and I will outperform the wealthy kids who live in the hills. And we do it," he said.

Monopoly Kills Innovation and Cheats Kids Chavis's charter school is an example of how a little innovation can create a school that can change kids' lives. You don't get innovation without competition.

To give you an idea of how competitive American schools are and how U.S. students performed compared with their European counterparts, we gave parts of an international test to some high school students in Belgium and in New Jersey.

Belgian kids cleaned the American kids' clocks, and called them "stupid."

We didn't pick smart kids to test in Europe and dumb kids in the United States. The American students attend an above-average school in New Jersey, and New Jersey's kids have test scores that are above average for America.

Lov Patel, the boy who got the highest score among the American students, told me, "I'm shocked, because it just shows how advanced they are compared to us."

The Belgian students didn't perform better because they're smarter than American students. They performed better because their schools are better. At age 10, American students take an international test and score well above the international average. But by age 15, when students from 40 countries are tested, the Americans place 25th.

American schools don't teach as well as schools in other countries because they are government monopolies, and monopolies don't have much incentive to compete. In Belgium, by contrast, the money is attached to the kids -- it's a kind of voucher system. Government funds education -- at many different kinds of schools -- but if a school can't attract students, it goes out of business.

Belgian school principal Kaat Vandensavel told us she works hard to impress parents.

She told us, "If we don't offer them what they want for their child, they won't come to our school." She constantly improves the teaching, saying, "You can't afford 10 teachers out of 160 that don't do their work, because the clients will know, and won't come to you again."

"That's normal in Western Europe," Harvard economist Caroline Hoxby told me. "If schools don't perform well, a parent would never be trapped in that school in the same way you could be trapped in the U.S."

Last week Florida's Supreme Court shut down "opportunity scholarships," Florida's small attempt at competition. Public money can't be spent on private schools, said the court, because the state constitution commands the funding only of "uniform . . . high-quality" schools. Government schools are neither uniform nor high-quality, and without competition, no new teaching plan or No Child Left Behind law will get the monopoly to serve its customers well.

The longer kids stay in American schools, the worse they do in international competition. They do worse than kids from poorer countries that spend much less money on education, ranking behind not only Belgium but also Poland, the Czech Republic and South Korea.

This should come as no surprise if you remember that public education in the United States is a government monopoly. Don't like your public school? Tough. The school is terrible? Tough. Your taxes fund that school regardless of whether it's good or bad. That's why government monopolies routinely fail their customers. Union-dominated monopolies are even worse.

In New York City, it's "just about impossible" to fire a bad teacher, says Schools Chancellor Joel Klein. The new union contract offers some relief, but it's still about 200 pages of bureaucracy. "We tolerate mediocrity," said Klein, because "people get paid the same, whether they're outstanding, average or way below average."

Here's just one example from New York City: It took years to fire a teacher who sent sexually oriented e-mails to "Cutie 101," a 16-year-old student. Klein said, "He hasn't taught, but we have had to pay him, because that's what's required under the contract."

Only after six years of litigation were they able to fire him. In the meantime, they paid the teacher more than $300,000. Klein said he employs dozens of teachers who he's afraid to let near the kids, so he has them sit in what are called rubber rooms. This year he will spend $20 million dollars to warehouse teachers in five rubber rooms. It's an alternative to firing them. In the last four years, only two teachers out of 80,000 were fired for incompetence. Klein's office says the new contract will make it easier to get rid of sex offenders, but it will still be difficult to fire incompetent teachers.

When I confronted Randi Weingarten, president of the United Federation of Teachers, she said, "They [the NYC school board] just don't want to do the work that's entailed." But the "work that's entailed" is so onerous that most principals just have just given up, or gotten bad teachers to transfer to another school. They even have a name for it: "the dance of the lemons."

Zoned Out of a Good Education I talked with 18-year-old Dorian Cain in South Carolina, who was still struggling to read a single sentence in a first-grade level book when I met him. Although his public schools had spent nearly $100,000 on him over 12 years, he still couldn't read.

So "20/20" sent Dorian to a private learning center, Sylvan, to see if teachers there could teach Dorian to read when the South Carolina public schools failed to.

Using computers and workbooks, Dorian's reading went up two grade levels -- after just 72 hours of instruction.

His mother, Gena Cain, is thrilled with Dorian's progress but disappointed with his public schools. "With Sylvan, it's a huge improvement. And they're doing what they're supposed to do. They're on point. But I can't say the same for the public schools," she said.

Lying to Beat the System Gena Cain, like most parents, doesn't have a choice which public school her kids attend. She followed the rules, and her son paid the price.

In San Jose, Calif., some parents break the rules to get their kids into Fremont Union schools. They're so much better than neighboring schools that parents sometimes cheat to get their kids in by pretending to live in the school district.

"We have maybe hundreds of kids who are here illegally, under false pretenses," said District Superintendent Steve Rowley.

Inspector John Lozano works for the district going door-to-door to check if kids really live where they say they live. And even seeing that a child is present at a particular address isn't enough. Lozano says he needs to look inside the house to make sure the student really lives there.

Think about what he's doing. The school district police send him into your daughter's bedroom. He even goes through drawers and closets if he has to.

At one house he found a computer and some teen magazines and pictures of a student with her friends. He decided that student passed the residency test.

But a grandmother who listed an address in his district is caught. The people who answered the door when Lozano visited told him she didn't live there.

Two days later, I talked with the grandmother who tried to get her grandson into the Fremont schools.

"I was actually crying. I was crying in front of this 14-year-old. Why can't they just let parents to get in the school of their choice?" she asked.

Why can't she make a choice? It's sad that school officials force her to go to the black market to get her grandson a better education. After we started calling the school, the school did decide to let him stay in the district.

School-Choice Proponents Meet Resistance When the Sanford family moved from Charleston to Columbia, S.C., the family had a big concern: Where would the kids go to school? In most places, you must attend the public school in the zone where you live, but the middle school near the Sanford's new home was rated below average.

It turned out, however, that this didn't pose a problem for this family, because the reason the Sanfords moved to Columbia was that Mark Sanford had been elected governor. He and his wife were invited to send their kids to schools in better districts.

Sanford realized how unfair the system was. "If you can buy a $250,000 or $300,000 house, you're gonna get some great public education," Gov. Sanford said. Or if you have political connections.

The Sanfords decided it was unfair to take advantage of their position as "first family" and ended up sending their kids to private school. "It's too important to me to sacrifice their education. I get one shot at it. If I don't pay very close attention to how my boys get educated then I've lost an opportunity to make them the best they can be in this world," Jenny Sanford said.

The governor then proposed giving every parent in South Carolina that kind of choice, regardless of where they lived or whether they made a lot of money. He said state tax credits should help parents pay for private schools. Then they would have a choice.

"The public has to know that there's an alternative there. It's just like, do you get a Sprint phone or an AT&T phone," Chavous said.

He's right. When monopolies rule, there is little choice, and little gets done. In America the phone company was once a government-supported monopoly. All the phones were black, and all the calls expensive. With competition, things have changed -- for the better. We pay less for phone calls. If we're unhappy with our phone service, we switch companies.

Why can't kids benefit from similar competition in education?

"People expect and demand choice in every other area of their life," Sanford said.

The governor announced his plan last year and many parents cheered the idea, but school boards, teachers unions and politicians objected. PTAs even sent kids home with a letter saying, "Contact your legislator. How can we spend state money on something that hasn't been proven?"

A lot of people say education tax credits and vouchers are a terrible idea, that they'll drain money from public schools and give it to private ones.

Last week's Florida court ruling against vouchers came after teacher Ruth Holmes Cameron and advocacy groups brought a suit to block the program.

"To say that competition is going to improve education? It's just not gonna work. You know competition is not for children. It's not for human beings. It's not for public education. It never has been, it never will be," Holmes said.

Why not? Would you keep going back to a restaurant that served you a bad meal? Or a barber that gave you a bad haircut? What if the government assigned you to "your" grocery store. The store wouldn't have to compete for your business, and it would soon sell spoiled milk or stock only high profit items. Real estate agencies would sell houses advertising "neighborhood with a good grocery store." That's insane, and yet that's what America does with public schools.

Chavous, who has worked to get more school choice in Washington, D.C., said, "Choice to me is the only way. I believe that we can force the system from an external vantage point to change itself. It will never change itself from within. ... Unless there is some competition infused in the equation, unless that occurs, then they know they have a captive monopoly that they can continue to dominate."

Competition inspires people to do what we didn't think we could do. If people got to choose their kids' school, education options would be endless. There could soon be technology schools, science schools, virtual schools where you learn at home on your computer, sports schools, music schools, schools that go all year, schools with uniforms, schools that open early and keep kids later, and, who knows what else. If there were competition, all kinds of new ideas would bloom.

Link to the article

28 posted on 01/18/2006 2:44:49 PM PST by NRA2BFree (http://www.angelfire.com/nm2/chainreaction/Kitties/LittleFReepers.html)
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To: RWR8189

Voucher BTTT...


29 posted on 01/18/2006 2:45:25 PM PST by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: Mad_as_heck

I agree that vouchers are not the best solution. With the evidence that homeschoolers continue to do as well or better than public schools on average, without the resources, let the market work.


30 posted on 01/18/2006 2:48:00 PM PST by azemt (Programming - the art form that fights back)
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To: RWR8189

As a former administrator of a Parochial School pre - 8th grade, most kids from public schools were one or two yrs behind the parochial school. They were not admitted or in
some cases we tested and some ended up in special ed.
BTW these were A & B students in public school.


31 posted on 01/18/2006 2:48:07 PM PST by SoCalPol (Cowards Cut and Run, Marines Never Do)
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To: kjenerette

...reading.


32 posted on 01/18/2006 2:57:15 PM PST by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...If We Can Keep It!)
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To: azemt
With the evidence that homeschoolers continue to do as well or better than public schools...

On average on standardized tests they do 30-40 percentile points better.

Study found here http://www.nheri.org/

33 posted on 01/18/2006 2:57:38 PM PST by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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To: RWR8189
The stupid sheeple think there isn't enough money for the schools. Oh they know there's plenty but don't care enough to know how its spent and if its doing their kids any good. Go figure.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

34 posted on 01/18/2006 3:07:05 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RWR8189

I also watched the 20/20 report, and it was indeed excellent.

Here's my two step program to improve government schools:

1.) In each school, and in each school system, eliminate one administrative position. At the state level, eliminate five administrative positions. (And by administrative, I do not mean secretarial or custodial staff.) Use part of the money thus saved to increase teachers' salaries, and the rest to buy needed classroom supplies.

2.) If, at the end of the year, student achievement, as measured by randomly chosen standardized tests (so teachers can't "teach to the test") has not significantly improved, repeat step 1.). Administration will get the message very quickly, and do what needs to be done, whether it be getting rid of bad teachers, or straightening out the curriculum, or whatever.

Of course, a better option would be to get the government out of the education providing business totally. I can see an argument for government (read taxpayer) funded education, but no arguement at all for government provided education.


35 posted on 01/18/2006 3:07:50 PM PST by sima_yi
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To: RWR8189
The schools need more money like New Orleans needs more money. Let's throw another $billion down a rathole where no postive results are ever seen.
36 posted on 01/18/2006 3:20:24 PM PST by TigersEye (You don't have to believe everything you think!)
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Money isnt the solution but its not the problem either. You cant budget cut your way to a better school system, many have tried. I'm all for trying new things and letting parents have choice but dont overlook the obvious - good communities make good schools. A lot of kids arent getting what they need at home and dont look to government regulation to change that. My Mom's been teaching blind kids in the public school system since LBJ was President, she's still at it today. Some genius decided she could do better with less. So instead of having all the blind kids come to her special classroom with its brailers, magnifiers and computers she spends a few hours each day criss-crossing a county the size of RI. Instead of giving the kids the attention they need to keep up she turns in a mileage voucher and has the county pay for her gas.


37 posted on 01/18/2006 3:21:37 PM PST by planetpatrol
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To: RWR8189

Is that figure $10,000.00 per student PER YEAR? I've got four kids in school and would take that dough in a heartbeat just to pull them out and teach them at home myself.


38 posted on 01/18/2006 3:22:15 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: NRA2BFree
What a damning article! I was particularly disgusted by the following paragraphs:

"In New York City, it's "just about impossible" to fire a bad teacher, says Schools Chancellor Joel Klein. The new union contract offers some relief, but it's still about 200 pages of bureaucracy. "We tolerate mediocrity," said Klein, because "people get paid the same, whether they're outstanding, average or way below average."

Here's just one example from New York City: It took years to fire a teacher who sent sexually oriented e-mails to "Cutie 101," a 16-year-old student. Klein said, "He hasn't taught, but we have had to pay him, because that's what's required under the contract."

Only after six years of litigation were they able to fire him. In the meantime, they paid the teacher more than $300,000. Klein said he employs dozens of teachers who he's afraid to let near the kids, so he has them sit in what are called rubber rooms. This year he will spend $20 million dollars to warehouse teachers in five rubber rooms. It's an alternative to firing them. In the last four years, only two teachers out of 80,000 were fired for incompetence. Klein's office says the new contract will make it easier to get rid of sex offenders, but it will still be difficult to fire incompetent teachers.

When I confronted Randi Weingarten, president of the United Federation of Teachers, she said, "They [the NYC school board] just don't want to do the work that's entailed." But the "work that's entailed" is so onerous that most principals just have just given up, or gotten bad teachers to transfer to another school. They even have a name for it: "the dance of the lemons." "


Infreekincredible.
39 posted on 01/18/2006 3:24:51 PM PST by US admirer
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Cripes! You could build them their own little schoolhouse with that kind of scratch.


40 posted on 01/18/2006 3:26:48 PM PST by TigersEye (You don't have to believe everything you think!)
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