Four dimensional beings can be quite powerful.
Posted on 01/17/2006 11:24:31 AM PST by PatrickHenry
A rural school district agreed to stop teaching a religion-based alternative to evolution as part of a court settlement filed Tuesday, a legal group said.
Frazier Mountain High School will stop teaching a philosophy class discussing the theory of "intelligent design" this week and won't teach it in the future, said Ayesha N. Khan, legal director for Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
Officials at the El Tejon Unified School District were not immediately available for comment.
A federal judge in Fresno had been scheduled to hold a hearing Tuesday afternoon on whether to halt the class midway through the monthlong winter term.
A group of parents sued the district last week, saying it violated the constitutional separation of church and state by offering "Philosophy of Design," a course taught by a minister's wife that advanced the theory that life is so complex it must have been created by God.
"The course was designed to advance religious theories on the origins of life, including creationism and its offshoot, 'intelligent design,'" said the lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court.
In a landmark lawsuit, Americans United for Separation of Church and State had successfully blocked Dover, Pa., schools last month from teaching intelligent design in science courses. [Kitzmiller et al. v Dover Area School District et al..]
El Tejon school officials had claimed the subject was proper for a philosophy class.
The high school in the Tehachapi Mountains about 75 miles north of Los Angeles draws 500 students from a dozen small communities.
Sharon Lemburg, a social studies teacher and soccer coach who was teaching "Philosophy of Design," defended the course in a letter to the weekly Mountain Enterprise.
"I believe this is the class that the Lord wanted me to teach," she wrote.
Similar battles are being fought in Georgia and Kansas. Critics of "intelligent design" say it is biblical creationism in disguise, but defenders argue it is based on science and doesn't require adherence to any religious belief.
Yeah, but the last time anyone wrote down his verion of the story was 5,000 years ago, in Hebrew. It has been translated so many times, and for so many political purposes, nobody knows what he actually said.
Heck - when it was first written, the creation story of Genesis (or at least days 4 through 6) might actually read "Dude, in about 8,000 years this guy Chickie D. is going to start explaining it all through scientific investigation. Chill out until then. For now, as far as you care, I did it all in 3 days."
Prove me wrong!
"...10,000 clergymen endorse evolution..."
Corrupt clergy do not speak for Christ. We have the Bible for that.
"Corrupt clergy" like the Pope?
"Keep your nutball religiosity outta my science"
This was being taught in a philosophy class, not a science class.
Do you believe all religion is for nutballs?
I don't, but I do believe the religion of Atheism is for nutballs.
"Wrong. Creationism fails as a theory right away because it appeals to the supernatural, which is outside of the realm of scientific inquiry. Intelligent Design fails as a theory based upon a total lack of evidence and a lack of any meaningful falsification criteria."
*****Supernatural is exactly how you got here. If I get the time this week...I may drop in and explain it. It's also impossible to explain it for us four dimensional beings to understand. We like to explain it in the same way that stone age man would describe a computer game or TV......rough example but gives you my point. I don't even argue because of this reason.
Of course, the Bible and notion of God will be cast into doubt with more of these events, activity claims of life in outer space, all sorts of nonsense, but believeable to four dim beings.....simple
Human knowledge has not even started yet....we are very very limited. Even Eintein proved the existance of God. He didn't like that too much either.....that's another story considering the K constant.....
Got to get back to work......:)
I am sure the numbers who are both Christians and understand evolution are much higher. Notice the word "understand".
I am both a Christian and understand evolution. I'm also toying with the idea that there might be some ID in evolution as well. I think God allows us free will. But that said, per the law, any notion of God belongs in a religious school not in the public school system.
This was being taught in a philosophy class, not a science class.
No, it wasn't. Calling something "a philosophy class" does not make it so.
Quick questions: in what type of philosophy class is "scientific evidence" introduced to discredit a philosophy? And in what type of philosophy class is one particular "philosophy" taught as being the correct one?
Words mean things. This wasn't a philosophy class, it was a Sunday School class.
The point is both methodological and epistemological. Science has been co-opted by the naturalist (atheist)and no longer holds to the classical discipline of the scientific method. Bacon proposed a method of acquiring some knowledge through inductive reasoning using a method that meet the following criteria: observable, verifiable and repeatable.
Bacon and scientists until Darwin generally followed this discipline. But the matter is more than just method, the real issue is epistemological. Can science and its methods acquire all knowledge? Is all knowledge acquirable? Is there a higher form or method of knowledge? A Biblical world-view would place the revelation of God above corrupted man's reason and observations. But that doesn't end man's curiosity or the right use of science. That same revelation of God instructs us to "take dominion" to "consider the heavens" and to seek the wonders of God that He has revealed in His creation. That is why if one starts with "In the beginning God..." the discipline of science will always give God glory.
Four dimensional beings can be quite powerful.
Why would any Christian parent want to send their children to an anti-God establishment such as the secular public schools? That is not obeying God's command to parents to "bring up your children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord." Their Christian faith is attacked daily in such a toxic atmosphere, and that is not what God considers a nurturing climate for the faith He has put in their hearts. No wonder so many of our youth are lost.
That's what they claimed, but just saying something does not make it so.
Words mean things. This was not a philosophy class, this was a Sunday School class.
If and when any man teaches contrary to the revealed word of God they are corrupt.
Right. You know more about the Bible than the Pope.
Hokay....
The question "Why not?" following the statement "Philosophy classes have no place in high school anyway" is not fallacious in any sense of the word, so don't get your knickers in a knot. I was a philosophy major in college 30 years ago, so I have more than a passing interest in the topic.
I had read a good bit of philosophy prior to going to college and had little trouble understanding the major philosophical questions that I would study in more detail in the 4 years that followed.
I think the poster who suggested an elementary logic class was spot on, but for high schoolers to recognize that the systems of thought in evidence around them go back to ancient times is a good thing. Provides some much needed perspective. Questions of free will/determinism or issues of metaphysics/materialism are in no way beyond the abilities of a high schooler.
Oh I ask for your INDULGENCE - Sola Scriptura - we fought for it 500 years ago - I'm willing to fight for it again.
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