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To: metmom

So an argument that starts with a flawed assumption doesn't work.

Actually the assumption is if God is perfect can he build a rock so big he could not lift it. The context in which it was used was to refute Descartes attempt to prove that God is perfect. I assumed nothing but only ask the question. Emperical evidence has yet to be found for the existance of God but the most well known proof for the existance of God is simply that most people believe in God therefore he must exist. It was refuted by most most people believe in a flat earth therefore the earth must be flat. Most religions seek to prove that its God is the only true God. The logical refute is that out of billions of people that have existed and the millions of religions that have existed what are the odds that any one religion is of the true God. At best a million to one.


372 posted on 01/17/2006 12:15:30 AM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jec41
Actually the assumption is if God is perfect can he build a rock so big he could not lift it.

All along I thought the old argument was, "can God microwave a burrito so hot that even He can't eat it?
373 posted on 01/17/2006 12:17:49 AM PST by Quick1
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To: jec41; metmom; little jeremiah
The first assumption is flawed because it is of man's limited assumption.

The rest of the many flaws are of your own origin, however all share that with you to some degree.

I agree with your last sentence in this regard I take my words from the

Bhagavad-Gita 'out of one million (or billion) one seeks me, out of the one million (or billion) one finds me'

little jeremiah please help me out here was that correct? I need to read up again.

Wolf
375 posted on 01/17/2006 12:45:58 AM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: jec41

one minor side note: it does not appear to have been true that most people who considered the matter at all ever considered the earth to be flat.

that is an antireligious myth coined (independently?) by some frenchman and Nathaniel Hawthorne (iirc) as a prop to extol the virtues of the Enlightenment over the "dark and superstitious foolishness" of earlier church-dominated times.

Certainly from at least the time of the early Roman Empire (as evidenced by imperial statuary and regalia) the educated classes knew quite well that the Earth was a sphere (see the orbis terrarum in such statuary, and in imperial and later royal paraphernalia).

IIRC, there is no mention of belief in a flat earth in navigational treatises contemporary to Columbus, and no mention of any such generalized belief until the early 1800's and their anti-religious/anti-papacy broadsides and "histories".

let's not accuse religious folk of sins they didn't own, ok?
we must strive to be fair in our little wars, yes?


376 posted on 01/17/2006 12:46:23 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: jec41
The logical refute is that out of billions of people that have existed and the millions of religions that have existed what are the odds that any one religion is of the true God. At best a million to one.

And what are the 'odds' of winning the PowerBall???

Yet, people do it quite regularly.

462 posted on 01/17/2006 9:22:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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