Israel rules Pollard not prisoner of Zion

Science Daily ^ | January 16, 2006

[steel_resolve]

Well, it seemed like you were advocating that. My apologies if that was not the case.

[penelopesire]

"If it weren't for Nixon, Communist China might have dried up on the vine and resembled North Korea today."

wow..you are active tonight.(I promise I am not stalking you..just clicked on this thread and found you here...lol) Please explain to us how North Korea has 'dried on the vine', so to speak? They have starved their people for sure. Clintoon gave them the way to acquire nuclear weapons, not Nixon. If you are simple minded enough, to think that Nixon held the key to Communist China's ascendency in the world..you are a fool.

[Johnnyboy2000]

I'm sure he did read the post you responded to. You spouted off on me because I implied that if the Israelis had found in Pollard's favor and demanded that he come back, then the U.S. should give them a choice between accepting billions of dollars in military aid and minding their own business.

[Johnnyboy2000]

Thanks for getting my back in this beeotch.

[Alberta's Child]

He posted a citation from the Book of Genesis -- seemingly to justify/explain his support for Israel, and yet the modern state of Israel really has no religious significance whatsoever.

[rmlew]

Sorry for finding it offensive when a counrty that exists because of American taxpayers hires our citizens to spy and us and then grants that person citizenship.
1. Israel existed for many years without US aid.
2. Israeli citizenship for Pollard is admitting to the spying. It is being honest.

Not to mention what our "allies" did to the USS Liberty with the jets we gave them.
Obviously you know nothing about the incident.
First of all, it was a mistaken identity during war. Secondly, Israel used Mystere jets bought from France.

What has Israel ever done for the U.S.?
1. Failed to press victory in 1956, 1967, and 1973
2. Failed to destroy the PLO in 1983
3. Passed on information on Soviet tactics and weapons
4. Passed on information on Arab tactics
5. Set back Iraq's nuclear program? (OK Israel did that for itself, but we have benefited.
6. Traded captured terrorists for American hostages
7. Traded weapons with Iran for American hostages

[Alberta's Child]

There was a lot more to it than that.

[poinq]

Israel spies on the United States because it wants every weapon system we have. If it doesn't know about one than it can't ask the US politicians to get it for them. They have everything two years after we get it. Pollard is not the first nor the last to spy for Israel.

And Israel is first and foremost interested in Israel. The US does not need Israel. If Israel did not exist than neither would the need for Israel exist. They pick fights and hold very hard lines. They are not good neighbors and they have sowed the hatred against them.

Now after fifty years of trying to come to peace with two sides that only really care about winning, or holding every advantage they can get. We have decided to take one side, theirs. The EU are still thinking about taking the other. And Russia and China are happily making hay with all the discontent.

Having Israel as an ally is like having a little brother that goes around kicking people. You have to defend him from bigger people. But it sure gets exhausting after a while. And you can't wait for him to grow up.

[poinq]

Israel spies on the United States because it wants every weapon system we have. If it doesn't know about one than it can't ask the US politicians to get it for them. They have everything two years after we get it. Pollard is not the first nor the last to spy for Israel.

And Israel is first and foremost interested in Israel. The US does not need Israel. If Israel did not exist than neither would the need for Israel exist. They pick fights and hold very hard lines. They are not good neighbors and they have sowed the hatred against them.

Now after fifty years of trying to come to peace with two sides that only really care about winning, or holding every advantage they can get. We have decided to take one side, theirs. The EU are still thinking about taking the other. And Russia and China are happily making hay with all the discontent.

Having Israel as an ally is like having a little brother that goes around kicking people. You have to defend him from bigger people. But it sure gets exhausting after a while. And you can't wait for him to grow up.

[nickcarraway]

Maybe you would like it if Israel didn't exist. The next day after it existed every single group that is opposing Israel would would be trying to destroy the U.S. with twice the effort they tried to destroy Israel. Imagine all the groups united in hating the U.S. aligned together. Sorry, if I consider making this a safer country doing something for the U.S. While I don't always agree with the amount we fund other countries, the fact is the amount we pay Israel would not come close to covering the bill we would have to pay to defend ourselves if Israel wasn't there.

[ozoneliar]

He posted a citation from the Book of Genesis -- seemingly to justify/explain his support for Israel, and yet the modern state of Israel really has no religious significance whatsoever.

A)The quote refers to Abraham, from whom most Jews claim descendancy. So, like I said, I believe the current belief of most Israelis is irrelevant.

B)If you look historically at Israel, there is still a large relegious component to the land.(still a minority)

[nickcarraway]

I'm not happy that Pollard was a spy, and that the info he stole was given to the Russians, but the fact is allies spy on each other. England spied on the U.S. in WWII. What should we have done about it?

[nickcarraway]

Even the non-classified things they can share with you ought to be enough to dispel this silly idea that Israel is really a friend of the United States.

I'm listening. If it's nonclassified then tell us.

[poinq]

Israel is not some outpost keeping the war front away from the US. We are the great Satan because we defend Israel, the House of Saud and The Egyptian Government.

None of these are democracies, not really. America should only defend democracies. (That means every Palestinian votes along with every Jew.) Every time we do otherwise it just ends in a festering hatred which turns into a revolt.

[ozoneliar]

I'm shocked that your dislike for Israel is not only causing you distort historical fact, but to take the side of the Arabs here. Your statements not only bely your ignorance of the situation, but also your bias.

Israel has not been an historic aggressor of her neighbors. And you make it seem like they have other options besides taking "the hard line". Israel is willing to co-exist with the arabs/Muslims. They(the Muslims/Arabs) have fought tirelessly to destroy Israel.

[rmlew]

Israel spies on the United States because it wants every weapon system we have.
Israel is a small country surrounded by enemies. Intelligence failures could lead to national destruction and genocide.
I would note that everyone spies on everyone else. Welcome to the adult world.

f it doesn't know about one than it can't ask the US politicians to get it for them. They have everything two years after we get it. Pollard is not the first nor the last to spy for Israel.
There are plenty of systems we wont sell to anyone. Heck, we are threatening to keep Israel out of the F-35 JSF program.

And Israel is first and foremost interested in Israel. The US does not need Israel.
Any country whose leaders is not first and foremost interested in their country is on the path to destruction.
The US does not need Israel, but it has its uses.

They pick fights and hold very hard lines. They are not good neighbors and they have sowed the hatred against them.
Israel was attacked before its government was formed in 1947. Most of its neighbors are still at war with Israel!
Israel has given up 1/2 of its territory for broken promises and peace treaties one bullet from being repealed.

Now after fifty years of trying to come to peace with two sides that only really care about winning, or holding every advantage they can get. We have decided to take one side, theirs.
The US iwants Israel to give up 1/4 of its remaining territory to people who wish to destroy it!

The EU are still thinking about taking the other. And Russia and China are happily making hay with all the discontent.
The EU is being colonized by Arabs and acting like good Dhimmi.

Having Israel as an ally is like having a little brother that goes around kicking people. You have to defend him from bigger people. But it sure gets exhausting after a while. And you can't wait for him to grow up.
Israel's enemies hate the US. Even moderate Muslims believe in universal sharia and a worldwide Caliphate.

[Alberta's Child]

There has been a "religious component" to that land for thousands of years. In that sense, nothing really changed at all in 1948.

[ozoneliar]

Israel is not some outpost keeping the war front away from the US. We are the great Satan because we defend Israel, the House of Saud and The Egyptian Government. None of these are democracies, not really. America should only defend democracies. (That means every Palestinian votes along with every Jew.) Every time we do otherwise it just ends in a festering hatred which turns into a revolt.

If you honestly believe that if Israel were destroyed all of the Muslims would come to love and embrace America, you are severly deluded. Personally if ind any attempts to justify terrorists sickening (as in we are only hated because we support Israel.)

[Alberta's Child]

Anyone who worked in counter-espionage during the Cold War will tell you that Israel was as big a threat to steal classified U.S. military secrets as the Soviet Union was.

"Ally of the United States," my @ss.

[rmlew]

Israel is not some outpost keeping the war front away from the US. We are the great Satan because we defend Israel, the House of Saud and The Egyptian Government.
You know nothing of Islam, are a Dhimmi, or are practicing Taqqiah.
The Saudi government funds most Islamist groups. The Muslim Brotherood hated the US from its inception. Look up Sayed Qutb.

None of these are democracies, not really. America should only defend democracies. (That means every Palestinian votes along with every Jew.) Every time we do otherwise it just ends in a festering hatred which turns into a revolt.
Are yoiu a leftist who does not believe in nation states, or do you simply believe in appeasing the Muslims?