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To: poinq
Israel spies on the United States because it wants every weapon system we have.
Israel is a small country surrounded by enemies. Intelligence failures could lead to national destruction and genocide.
I would note that everyone spies on everyone else. Welcome to the adult world.

f it doesn't know about one than it can't ask the US politicians to get it for them. They have everything two years after we get it. Pollard is not the first nor the last to spy for Israel.
There are plenty of systems we wont sell to anyone. Heck, we are threatening to keep Israel out of the F-35 JSF program.

And Israel is first and foremost interested in Israel. The US does not need Israel.
Any country whose leaders is not first and foremost interested in their country is on the path to destruction.
The US does not need Israel, but it has its uses.

They pick fights and hold very hard lines. They are not good neighbors and they have sowed the hatred against them.
Israel was attacked before its government was formed in 1947. Most of its neighbors are still at war with Israel!
Israel has given up 1/2 of its territory for broken promises and peace treaties one bullet from being repealed.

Now after fifty years of trying to come to peace with two sides that only really care about winning, or holding every advantage they can get. We have decided to take one side, theirs.
The US iwants Israel to give up 1/4 of its remaining territory to people who wish to destroy it!

The EU are still thinking about taking the other. And Russia and China are happily making hay with all the discontent.
The EU is being colonized by Arabs and acting like good Dhimmi.

Having Israel as an ally is like having a little brother that goes around kicking people. You have to defend him from bigger people. But it sure gets exhausting after a while. And you can't wait for him to grow up.
Israel's enemies hate the US. Even moderate Muslims believe in universal sharia and a worldwide Caliphate.

76 posted on 01/16/2006 10:07:45 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: rmlew
Having Israel as an ally is like having a little brother that goes around kicking people. You have to defend him from bigger people. But it sure gets exhausting after a while. And you can't wait for him to grow up. Israel's enemies hate the US. Even moderate Muslims believe in universal sharia and a worldwide Caliphate.

Glad to somebody here is talking sense. Lots of the posts here look they were written by Euro-wimp appeaser code pink, Dhimmi-wannabees. The sooner people realize what Islam is all about the better.

83 posted on 01/16/2006 10:15:13 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: rmlew
Your argument in defense of Israel, and the facts garnered to bolster it, are praiseworthy and impressive, but I couldn't help but feel trapped when reading it. How much longer are we supposed to put up with this? Are we supposed to patiently listen to these arguments for another fifty years?

What if Truman had not recognized Israel, as many advised him to do? Would it have been wise for Truman to establish diplomatic relations with the State of Israel, thereby legitimizing it, if he had known that fifty years later Israel would still be struggling to survive, struggling to exist?

The State of Israel with its four or five million inhabitants has occupied an inordinate amount of the world's attention for a very long time. It's tiring. Exhausting really. The present military engagements of this nation are directly linked to the founding of the State of Israel, and the subsequent geopolitical circumlocutions of that event, all the strenuous exclamations to the contrary by Israel's defenders notwithstanding.

This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business, admitting a valiant, but failed, attempt at justifiable irredentism. The world, and the US, cannot afford another fifty years Middle East turmoil.

107 posted on 01/17/2006 12:07:51 AM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: rmlew
Even moderate Muslims believe in universal sharia

Sharia and sharia alike, my friend

108 posted on 01/17/2006 12:12:23 AM PST by drlevy88
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