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Your argument in defense of Israel, and the facts garnered to bolster it, are praiseworthy and impressive, but I couldn't help but feel trapped when reading it. How much longer are we supposed to put up with this? Are we supposed to patiently listen to these arguments for another fifty years?

What if Truman had not recognized Israel, as many advised him to do? Would it have been wise for Truman to establish diplomatic relations with the State of Israel, thereby legitimizing it, if he had known that fifty years later Israel would still be struggling to survive, struggling to exist?

The State of Israel with its four or five million inhabitants has occupied an inordinate amount of the world's attention for a very long time. It's tiring. Exhausting really. The present military engagements of this nation are directly linked to the founding of the State of Israel, and the subsequent geopolitical circumlocutions of that event, all the strenuous exclamations to the contrary by Israel's defenders notwithstanding.

This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business, admitting a valiant, but failed, attempt at justifiable irredentism. The world, and the US, cannot afford another fifty years Middle East turmoil.

Were Israel gone, you think the Moose madness would stop? No way. Along with the 47 years or so of Israel's existence, has developed about a half century of global petropolitics.

Very well said. You articulated what I was feeling in a less abrasive way than myself. I just seem to piss people off.

"The State of Israel with its four or five million inhabitants has occupied an inordinate amount of the world's attention for a very long time. It's tiring. Exhausting really."

That makes the prophecy about that obsession by so many busy-body nations all the more interesting.

"This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors."

That kind of illogical, immoral equivalence between Israelis and the terrorist "neighbors" on our US list (Hamas, Hezbollah,...) is always surprising.

"Or else they've got to go out of business, admitting a valiant, but failed, attempt at justifiable irredentism."

Wow. That's a slippery way of saying that Israel shouldn't exist. My advice to you is to try to begin to see the lack of credibility in comments by the likes of Ahmadinejad.

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"The State of Israel with its four or five million inhabitants has occupied an inordinate amount of the world's attention for a very long time. It's tiring. Exhausting really. The present military engagements of this nation are directly linked to the founding of the State of Israel, and the subsequent geopolitical circumlocutions of that event, all the strenuous exclamations to the contrary by Israel's defenders notwithstanding. This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business"

Such impassioned fervor! I hear the ghosts of many a glorious Nuremberg Rally past rattling to life, shaking off the dust, and sounding the old clarion call to action!...

"Or else they've got to go out of business"

And there ya are...Israel going "out of business" today would resemble something like that.

I'm sure such a repeat of history would bring forth from you an appropriate "cluck, cluck," followed by a soothing "How much longer ~~are~~ were we supposed to put up with this? ~~Are~~ Were we supposed to patiently listen to these arguments for another fifty years?"

The older I get, the less I'm surprised. Disgust has made up the loss.

Your argument in defense of Israel, and the facts garnered to bolster it, are praiseworthy and impressive, but I couldn't help but feel trapped when reading it. How much longer are we supposed to put up with this? Are we supposed to patiently listen to these arguments for another fifty years?

What if Truman had not recognized Israel, as many advised him to do? Would it have been wise for Truman to establish diplomatic relations with the State of Israel, thereby legitimizing it, if he had known that fifty years later Israel would still be struggling to survive, struggling to exist?

The State of Israel with its four or five million inhabitants has occupied an inordinate amount of the world's attention for a very long time. It's tiring. Exhausting really. The present military engagements of this nation are directly linked to the founding of the State of Israel, and the subsequent geopolitical circumlocutions of that event, all the strenuous exclamations to the contrary by Israel's defenders notwithstanding.

This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business, admitting a valiant, but failed, attempt at justifiable irredentism. The world, and the US, cannot afford another fifty years Middle East turmoil.

LOL. I thought you had your shit together. You seem to be in a panic.
If only it were all so easy.
If only Iran could nuke Israel tomorrow so there would be no more Jew problem for you. What a pain in the ass these pesky Jews are!

But the world doesn't work like that. The next Muslim meal after Israel is Europe. That's your people. What are you going to do about that? Muslim birthrates will conquer Europe. China-Iran-Venezuela are scheming together. They are very hungry. Russia is very hungry too and schemes with them. They want control of world energy supplies. And we import 50% or more of our oil, gas energy requirements. Israel didn't invent the Iranian nuclear menace. The United States and Europe's energy cravings did. Israel didn't invent the new Moorish invasion of Europe. Blame your fellow Catholics and Christians for that. Israel has been strong against Islam and Europe very weak.

Good Lord. Did Stormfront have a purge or something?

Learn a little Middle East history. The Arabs went to war with Israel, not the other way around.

Nobody is interested in whether you, or anyone else wants Israeli to disappear. It's not gonna happen. :)

"Nobody does Israel any service by proclaiming its 'right to exist.' Israel's right to exist, like that of the United States, Saudi Arabia and 152 other states, is axiomatic and unreserved. Israel's legitimacy is not suspended in midair awaiting acknowledgement.... There is certainly no other state, big or small, young or old, that would consider mere recognition of its 'right to exist' a favor, or a negotiable concession.” Abba Eban on Israel's “Right to Exist".

"This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business, admitting a valiant, but failed, attempt at justifiable irredentism. The world, and the US, cannot afford another fifty years Middle East turmoil.
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this has gone beyond just supporting israel. The problem TODAY in the middle east is not israel, but radical islam and the oil-funded countries that support it. There is NO concession israel can make that will make this problem go away.

This thing has got to end. The Israelis have got to find a way to make peace with their neighbors. Or else they've got to go out of business, admitting a valiant, but failed, attempt at justifiable irredentism. The world, and the US, cannot afford another fifty years Middle East turmoil.

It takes two to Tango - what have the Palestinians done for peace? The Arabs are like the Germans of 1914-1945, they are their own worst enemies. No PR skills, No desire to compromise, no desire to be reasonable and accept reality.

Your argument in defense of Israel, and the facts garnered to bolster it, are praiseworthy and impressive, but I couldn't help but feel trapped when reading it. How much longer are we supposed to put up with this? Are we supposed to patiently listen to these arguments for another fifty years?

What if Truman had not recognized Israel, as many advised him to do? Would it have been wise for Truman to establish diplomatic relations with the State of Israel, thereby legitimizing it, if he had known that fifty years later Israel would still be struggling to survive, struggling to exist?
Thank you for the temperate response.
As to your question, which nation does not face destruction for some period? Was not America a questionable experiment until 1815, if not 1865?
Israel is more at risk than most, but I see no reason to call for the disillusion of Taiwan, South Korea, Panama, or most ex-Soviet states?

The State of Israel with its four or five million inhabitants has occupied an inordinate amount of the world's attention for a very long time. It's tiring. Exhausting really. The present military engagements of this nation are directly linked to the founding of the State of Israel, and the subsequent geopolitical circumlocutions of that event, all the strenuous exclamations to the contrary by Israel's defenders notwithstanding.
1. There are 6.2 million Israeli citizens.
2. Israel has defended itself. The US is not in Iraq for Israel. Iraq in 2003 was no real threat to Israel.
Our current conflict with Islamists would have occured without Israel. The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1923, after the destruction of the Caliphate. Sayeed Qutb traveled America in the 1940's and called for the destruction of the West.
Wahabbism (not to be confused with Qutbism) started in the 18th century. It became prominent thanks to the Saudi clan, who used it as an excuse to call for revolt against the corrupt Hashemites and Ottoman Turks.
The simple fact is that Islam has been spreading by force since 622. The Muslims are either at your knees or at your throat. Since the 1920's, the Western Empires have been in retreat, leaving Muslims free to consolodate power. Jewish control of Israel may be a rallying cry for them, but so is Christian control of Spain, Russia, Greece and Sicily.

Muslims believe that world wide Caliphate is their destiny and that Jihad is an obligation. There can be no appeasement.