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To: Johnnyboy2000
Sorry for finding it offensive when a counrty that exists because of American taxpayers hires our citizens to spy and us and then grants that person citizenship.
1. Israel existed for many years without US aid.
2. Israeli citizenship for Pollard is admitting to the spying. It is being honest.

Not to mention what our "allies" did to the USS Liberty with the jets we gave them.
Obviously you know nothing about the incident.
First of all, it was a mistaken identity during war. Secondly, Israel used Mystere jets bought from France.

What has Israel ever done for the U.S.?
1. Failed to press victory in 1956, 1967, and 1973
2. Failed to destroy the PLO in 1983
3. Passed on information on Soviet tactics and weapons
4. Passed on information on Arab tactics
5. Set back Iraq's nuclear program? (OK Israel did that for itself, but we have benefited.
6. Traded captured terrorists for American hostages
7. Traded weapons with Iran for American hostages

66 posted on 01/16/2006 9:51:32 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: rmlew

"1. Israel existed for many years without US aid."

Was that when they were occupied by the Romans? You have me there. But if you think the modern state of Israel would exist without US aid then you live in a fantasy world.


"2. Israeli citizenship for Pollard is admitting to the spying. It is being honest."


They don't need to admit it. We caught him. If they were being honest they would not be spying on our Navy's technology and passing it on to the Chinese.



"Obviously you know nothing about the incident.
First of all, it was a mistaken identity during war. Secondly, Israel used Mystere jets bought from France."

You are correct that they used French jets. I forgot that detail, but my overall point did not lose its validity. Israel was still rcieving large amounts of aid from the U.S. at the time of the attack on the Liberty. And I know enough about the incident to know that Israeli jets killed 34 U.S. servicemen. The DCI at that time was Richard Helms and he felt it was a deliberate attack.


82 posted on 01/16/2006 10:14:54 PM PST by Johnnyboy2000 (Give it all up tommorrow to live in world without crime, and go back tothe circuit riding motocross)
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To: rmlew
First of all, it was a mistaken identity during war.

Nonsense. Nobody believes this. Not you, not anybody.

122 posted on 01/17/2006 3:14:49 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: rmlew

You have the first post on this thread listing ways that israel has helped or accomodated the US, thanks.

Only three quick questions/clarifications -

1. it is not known for certain if the attack on the liberty was accidental. There is certainly circumstantial reason to doubt it, but we will probably never know.
2. re soviet intelligence FROM israel, it is said that israel gave raw data from pollard to the USSR which they then used to unravel parts of the us intel network in e europe. this is another 'we will never know for sure' item but it would explain the vehement US position on pollard after all these years.
3. multiple reports over the years of our military tech being traded to china by israel, to the point that they were excluded from a major project recently. It would be more offensive if the chinese weren't perfectly capable of stealing the tech by becoming a sub-contractor here in the US instead.


130 posted on 01/17/2006 5:31:10 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: rmlew
What has Israel ever done for the U.S.?
1. Failed to press victory in 1956, 1967, and 1973
2. Failed to destroy the PLO in 1983
3. Passed on information on Soviet tactics and weapons
4. Passed on information on Arab tactics
5. Set back Iraq's nuclear program? (OK Israel did that for itself, but we have benefited.
6. Traded captured terrorists for American hostages
7. Traded weapons with Iran for American hostages

Very weak! AND not worth billions of dollars or blind support.

1-4 who cares
5 self-serving
6 & 7 strengthen terrorist
199 posted on 01/17/2006 8:43:49 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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