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“We also have grave reservations concerning the ability of same-sex couples or unmarried heterosexual couples, however loving they might be, to provide the stability and the role models a married couple can,” he added.

It has been my lifelong belief, that with VERY FEW exceptions, adoption should be reserved for married couples who cannot have children on their own. All of these other groups are fully capable of having children through normal means, yet they are selfishly denying those who cannot do so.

1 posted on 01/16/2006 1:59:21 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 01/16/2006 2:00:00 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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Homosexual agenda ping.

Let me know if you need me to keep pinging.


3 posted on 01/16/2006 2:04:46 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
The Cardinal has asked that Catholic adoption agencies be allowed a "conscience clause" to exempt them from the ruling...

Well, it's pretty safe to say that the leftists will not permit such a thing and they'll probably get their panties into a wad for the Cardinal daring to imply that favoring normal families is an act of conscience.

There is another solution, of course, just stop placing children in any nation where they'll be forced to place them in the hands of sexual degenerates. Ship them all to foreign counties and to God-loving parents.

4 posted on 01/16/2006 2:20:08 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: wagglebee

Why should a married couple who can have children be denied the priviledge of of adopting a child? Can't they do both?


5 posted on 01/16/2006 2:23:03 PM PST by em2vn
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To: wagglebee
A decision by Scottish lawmakers to allow same-sex couples

Can we just cut the crap. Be precise, it's lesbian couples. Most homosexual men are too busy in bath houses. The misandrist lesbians want to assert control over the rearing of children. They want total control.

6 posted on 01/16/2006 2:24:48 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: wagglebee
Children as Guinea Pigs in Some Distorted Social Experiment?

So, what's new about this? U.S. pubic schools have been experimenting for decades.

7 posted on 01/16/2006 2:26:23 PM PST by polymuser (I wish Republicans had a majority.)
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To: wagglebee
Proud to call Cardinal O'Brien a stand-up Christian Brother.

H.E. Keith Michael Patrick Card. O'BRIEN

I think that H.E. stands for His Eminence, but a Catholic Freeper would have to confirm that.

9 posted on 01/16/2006 2:28:25 PM PST by BoneHead
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To: wagglebee
It has been my lifelong belief, that with VERY FEW exceptions, adoption should be reserved for married couples who cannot have children on their own.

Now, seriously, when was the last time any of these PC types ever had a conversation on-the-level about this subject with the principle of the child's welfare uppermost in mind?

IMHO I agree with you and would add the codicil that children who can't find married couples willing to parent them really are wards of the government, or of the philanthropic society.

Do you recall how, just about the time this subject came up, that someone ran a press campaign (articles, book, movie rights, etc.) about the horrors of church-run social agencies in Ireland in the 1940's? Remember that one? That wouldn't have been a gay attack on the RCC and its homes for wayward girls, would it? And on the whole idea of pastoral social care in general?

Comments, please.

10 posted on 01/16/2006 2:28:31 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: wagglebee

I imagine there'd be many who would oppose an exemption for Catholic agencies and would be glad to see them get out of the adoption business.


11 posted on 01/16/2006 2:35:22 PM PST by RonF
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To: wagglebee

At some point, the Church is going to have to stop taking money, getting tax breaks and funding social welfare activities. Sad but true. The true meaning of the separation of church and state is the recognition that money and politics corrupts the religious. It is not to keep religious speech out of the public square. Take your kids out of public schools. sigh.


15 posted on 01/16/2006 2:37:58 PM PST by Mercat (sometimes God calms the storm, sometimes he lets the storm rage and calms the child)
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19 posted on 01/16/2006 3:18:40 PM PST by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: wagglebee
The Cardinal has asked that Catholic adoption agencies be allowed a “conscience clause” to exempt them from the ruling, so as not to be forced to place children in homes with same-sex guardians. O’Brien is worried that Catholic adoption agencies would eventually be forced into placing children with same-sex couples.

Much rather they would be forced to break the illegitimate law by NOT placing children with homosexuals playing house.

27 posted on 01/16/2006 3:42:42 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: wagglebee
For those interested -some links to documents and some excerpts:

  1. Third World Meeting of Families: Conclusions of the Pastoral Theological Congress

    Mention should also be made of recent attempts to legalize adoptions by homosexual persons, and this must be strongly rejected. It is obvious that this is not the situation for authentic up-bringing and personalizing growth. “The bond between two men or two women cannot constitute a real family, nor much less can the right be attributed to a union of this kind to adopt children without a family”. With regard to foster care and adoption, the great principle to be applied is always the child’s higher interests which much prevail over other considerations.

  2. Fourth World Meeting of Families: Conclusions of the Pastoral Theological Congress

    We reaffirm the rights and dignity of all children. They should never be neglected and abandoned on the streets. They should be protected, especially when threatened by exploitation through prostitution, pornography, child-labor, drug trafficking, homosexual adoption and immoral "sex education". A new threat to children is posed by the misuse of the Internet, when this intrudes into family life and undermines the rights and duties of parents.

    Children are the "crown of marriage", the real wealth of humanity. The natural place for their education is the family. It is here, in the community of life and love, that they are formed as members of Christ's Church. It is here that, honoring and loving their parents, they can enrich the lives of all members of the wider family.

  3. Considerations Regarding Proposals To Give Legal Recognition To Unions Between Homosexual Persons

    4. There are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family. Marriage is holy, while homosexual acts go against the natural moral law. Homosexual acts “close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved”.

    7. Homosexual unions are totally lacking in the biological and anthropological elements of marriage and family which would be the basis, on the level of reason, for granting them legal recognition. Such unions are not able to contribute in a proper way to the procreation and survival of the human race. The possibility of using recently discovered methods of artificial reproduction, beyond involving a grave lack of respect for human dignity, does nothing to alter this inadequacy.

    Homosexual unions are also totally lacking in the conjugal dimension, which represents the human and ordered form of sexuality. Sexual relations are human when and insofar as they express and promote the mutual assistance of the sexes in marriage and are open to the transmission of new life.

    As experience has shown, the absence of sexual complementarity in these unions creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. This is gravely immoral and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.


29 posted on 01/16/2006 3:55:04 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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Homosexual agenda ping.


35 posted on 01/16/2006 4:35:39 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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Agreed. It's been my life-long belief as well. Ridiculous that children should be adopted by singles instead of married couples, particularly when there is such a shortage of them. OUTRAGEOUS that any gays should be allowed to adopt, and yet adoptions to single people make it possible.

Also, more unwed mother's who cannot properly care for their children, should considering giving them up for adoption. But in the current moral climate, they won't.

36 posted on 01/16/2006 4:46:36 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: wagglebee
A few relevant links on adoption.

Experts Worldwide Find Gay Adoption Harmful for Children
Review of Research On Homosexual Parenting, Adoption, And Foster Parenting
Homosexual Parenting: Is It Time For Change?
Where Children Have No Voice: The 'Right' of Adoption by Homosexual Partners
Dangers of Same-Sex Couples Adopting Children (Part 1)
Dangers of Same-Sex Couples Adopting Children (Part 2)
Children and homosexual adoption
Homosexual adoption
Trophy children

39 posted on 01/16/2006 4:56:54 PM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: wagglebee
adoption should be reserved for married couples who cannot have children on their own. All of these other groups are fully capable of having children through normal means, yet they are selfishly denying those who cannot do so.

What about married couples who want to lovingly open their homes and hearts to these children? I have been seriously considering adopting an older child (there is no shortage of people looking to adopt infants). I won't do this until I am married (to a likeminded person), but I don't understand what is selfish or immoral about a couple bringing children into their home who would otherwise languish in foster care.

I've always regarded it as beautiful and special, and I don't really think infertile couples should have a monopoly on loving these children. It certainly doesn't hurt the children, unlike homosexual and to a certain extent, single parent adoptions.

41 posted on 01/16/2006 5:32:13 PM PST by DameAutour (I'm uniquely one of us and one of them.)
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To: wagglebee

How sad.

Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.


47 posted on 01/17/2006 8:18:24 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Were the American Revolutionaries rebelling against Constituted Authority and thereby God? I say no.)
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